Man is like shiv win the match. Cozier is one idiot.
ram
· 1 year ago
man u is a cunt
URTHE IDIOT
· 1 year ago
The article was about Shiv, what is so wrong with that. It was a great effort from Shiv.
victor
· 1 year ago
Is this the coming of age of Fidel Edwards and Powell ? Like an aged bottle of Appleton. they sure produce spells of smooth magic and marvellous upheaval of the thirsty palate. Let the party begin! We are in good hands if these two fellas can continue to throw the ball at the opponent, like they did in this first test. With the back-up roster of Jerome Taylor, Dwayne Bravo and D Sammy, I cannot wait to see the next test. This is what we have been all waiting for ! Now to get a few successful specialist batsmen in the mix and throw them all together, we got the perfect storm of an echelon of Caribbean invincibility that can again ride that blue top of the horizon that eluded us for so long. Hope breeds new fervour and an entire new design of a budding springtime dynasty? Windies, a team of simple youngmen with hearts of roaring fire who dreamed that they were true champions. WIBC, Dyson.Khan and company, make this the most memorable test yet.
ram
· 1 year ago
mr vic, de 25 yr. old elEldorado taste de good tooooooo and de Xtara old mount Gay ....de 80's is is coming again..... nice up fidel and powell ........pace in dem skin
American
· 1 year ago
Drunk again... what a waste of a human, oops forgot you are a goat
ram
· 1 year ago
american, u is and will always be a pusssssy, pretend to be someone else. There's nothing wrong being an Indian from Trinidad, one must be proud of who they are – must try it and you will see how good it will feel. Be proud of yourself, stop pretending.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
leave this alone ram, its not going anywhere. focus on the cricket h once chanders bats through the innings we will win it, we have attacking batsmen who can score quickly if needed, morton will be important today, i like him against fast bpwling.
bravo should do well also.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
well so much for what i said. now all hopes on sammy and a ramdhin partnership. 80 overs to get 200 runs, jaggy powell and edwards can bat a little . still have some hope.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
where are all these fans we have, nt& company?
American
· 1 year ago
Coverdrive Keep hope alive- with a better captain, WI could have won
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
i dont think so american, just a plain batting failure, u seem to think ganga is the answer, he is part of our batting failure
American
· 1 year ago
Ram Alcoholism is a serious disease as such you must seek help, as I advised before, get help before its too late.
I did some research on your kind- too many of your countryman are alcholics- You gotta get help goat man- your time is running out.
anthony
· 1 year ago
what r u on man ? wake up guy
victor
· 1 year ago
Ram, dem Aussies will be coming with the kitchen sink and everything thing else tomorrow. If the top end can stay dey ground, especially Sarwan, then we can turn de kitchen sink into a wash room vanity. Can Chanderpaul show up again wearing his Guyana's Excalibur sometime tomorrow? This tireless Guyanese Tiger warrior is called again and again to come to the fore and strengthen the Windies defence. And he gladly jumps into the fray.
axeman
· 1 year ago
My thoughts...
The Windies have already done a great job to put the world champs on the ropes. Okay they could have pressed home the advantage when the Aussies were five down for peanuts, but they came back well and have set up a chance of victory on the final day that most of us would have considered very unlikely before the series, and even less so after the first Aussie innings.
We have buried the idea that this tour would be a stroll in the park for Ponting & co.
American
· 1 year ago
This wan an encouraging performance by the WI. When you look back, the boys fought all the way to the end. The p/ship between Ramdin and Sammy was splendid, unfortunately it could not last.
The difference was Ponting- his captaincy was head and shoulders above Sarwan's. In fact Sarwan was the WI biggest liability- he failed miserably with the bat and his bowling changes left much to be desired- this despite his fielders being impeccable and his bowlers delivering in both innings.
For the 2nd test:
Out- Parchament In Gayle- if fit, if not, Chattergoon, if not fit, then Smith
Out Smith- In Ganga- Captain
Sarwan- although he is walking in thin ice, but WI cannot afford his captaincy. Nash C/Paul Bravo- VC Ramdin Powell Taylor Edwards Jaggernauth
Sammy- difficult drop but you need 4 specialist bowlers with Bravo
Nt
· 1 year ago
You are a damn dunce. You still have the guts to call for Ganga for captain. This is truly a shame. I have a feeling you have manic-obsession. This is crazy !!!!!!!!!!
URTHE IDIOT
· 1 year ago
American, there is no doubt that you need a mental evaluation and I agree with NT you have no idea about the game and you are a DAMN DUNCE. What you have is a computer and internet and free will to post crap. GET A LIFE FOOL.
American
· 1 year ago
And what you have is a computer and no brain.
ram
· 1 year ago
Ganga is his boyfriend, he will never give up.
American
· 1 year ago
I see you are still drunk
ding
· 1 year ago
Well, the game done, and as Cozier said, the Aussies won the first innings and we won the last innings. And my good friend here agrees as he nods and says, this is really a tied game. nobody won. Two parts to the game, with a full 10 wickets each side. Each side bat and then bowl. The Aussies won the first part, but lost the second part. My friend says to tell the WICB to call on his services next time dey need a win. He is the best best bowler and the biggest hitter and awsome driver of the ball in all the islands and other land. He could a bowl out Andrew Symonds first first ball and still be batting at the close of play today, the last day. Yes my friend is known as the third legged man. World wide. The man with the other appendage. Always rearing and ready for any show especially for long long play. The third leg is a cround pleaser. in fact he says nobody ever complain yet with he As for his fielding, he fast fast on the field. Anything come close by to he, He grab and strike center wicket with his extra throwing arm. Yea, the WICB can use this man any day. Sarwan or Bravo could of use this man today. He could have open the batting. Maybe the next test at Antigua, they can call on Brier ANNANSI. They need this man badly against the Aussies.
ram
· 1 year ago
Second Test Squad, - gaggers out...
Sulieman Benn Dwayne Bravo Shivnarine Chanderpaul Fidel Edwards Chris Gayle Xavier Marshall Runako Morton Brenton Parchment Daren Powell Denesh Ramdin Darren Sammy Ramnaresh Sarwan Devon Smith Jerome Tayloy
I guess Chatergoon still injured
POINT
· 1 year ago
The fact of the matter is that if the Charlatans , of whom Tony Cozier is a foundation Member , were to suddenly have testicular fortitude , and challenge the WICB'S refusal to give the Team Batting , Bowling & Fielding Coaches , there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that we can again have a world beating Team .
Unfortunately The Charlatans are embedded with the WICB , AND TOGETHER THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SAD STATE OF CRICKET IN THE REGION . What these people have failed to see is that our Players are in essence part time Players who with one Regional Tournament in the 3 versions of the game , no Semi or Professional League , and also as mentioned before , no Coaches have to do battle against full time Players , who play more Cricket , and have Coaches .
It has been lost on the Buffons at the WICB & the Charlatans that the advent of the ICC has placed our Team at a distinct disadvantage . The WICB refuses to have meaningful Camps , and agrees to schedules that are detrimental to our Players . It however expects to have success by being cheap . That aint ever going to happen .
There are things that the WICB can do instantly but refuses to do , the fact that it refuses to do these things informs me that the WICB is of the belief that amassing large sums of money and not giving the Team what is necessary will ultimately bring success . I beg to differ from this stupidity ,
In the meantime , the Charlatans rather that point out the errors f the WICB , prefer to be critical of the Players . In my opinion they arent Sports Journalists , but mere hacks to masquerade as Sports Journalists . These are persons utterly devoid of shame . I find it bone chilling , that the unholy alliance between the WICB & The Charlatans has brought Cricket in the Region to a sad and sorry state .
This is precisely why , in my opinion the WICB needs to be removed from the governance of Cricket in the Region . I have absolutely no doubt that any entity other than the WICB can & will do a better job than the WICB .
NY1
· 1 year ago
Congrats to Sars and Co.We were never a serious contender by all the pundits,guess we proved them wrong.Even by losing we have won back a lot of fans and the respect of everyone ,especially the Aussies.With Taylor and Gayle back,we have a 50/50 chance of levelling the series.I still think Ganga will be an ideal opening partner for Gayle.Anyhow he is not in,the team s/b: 1.Gayle 2.Marshall 3.Sars 4.Morton 5.C'paul 6.Smith 7.Bravo 8.Ramdin 9.Taylor 10.Poiwell 11.Edwards
ram
· 1 year ago
i agree...
ram
· 1 year ago
i agree... with your 11
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
i think marshall was a good choice, his game has improved alot, looks like we will stay as a fast bowling team, the spinners are not really taking full advantage of their chances, well done sammy, showed alot of application and edwards powell and taylor once fit will always give us a chance,. if this batting line up cannot compete , then the selectors after this series have a lot of work to do in looking at another generation.
Cricketer
· 1 year ago
We should not go into any test match with an unbalanced bowling attack. I hope Benn is included to create variation as our pace bowlers still have not been able to maintain consistent line and length test after test. I am not impressed by the roller coaster performance of the team, and then having to read the post mortem from the players who always seem to "know what areas we have to work on". If they did not know their weakness going into the game then it is obvious they are not being properly coached. There is no reason why 287 runs could not have been successfully chased.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
i think 3 fast bowlers with variety from bravo & gayle/sammy is the variation they may stick with, but with hayden and clark the batiting will look alot different now , benn might be a long shot. and u r right, that runs should have been made there was too much time to do it. poor shot selection and planning for an innings is where it went wrong, australia was just bowling good line and lenghth but a good speed. i think either smith or gayle might be batting lower with marshall opening. i feel sorry for sammy though, he had a good match.
Cricketer
· 1 year ago
I would not play Marshall in the next test and I would also replace Parchment with Gayle. If we are so quick to drop a spinner then batsmen should also come under the same requirement to "perform or else". Sammy should make way for Benn and at this stage i would tell Ramdin to quit fcuking around or you will be replaced. He is too much like a chameleon and the team cannot afford such, especially against the Aussies.
Let's see what happens in Antigua where the wicket does not offer help to the bowlers.
NY1
· 1 year ago
I was just about to tell American that we ave you on the Ganga bandwagon.Oh well!
Andie Roberts
· 1 year ago
Why no spinner?
blade
· 1 year ago
I would not select Marshall in the final eleven. My choices would be Gayle,Smith,Sarwan,Morton,Chanderpaul,Bravo,Ramdin,Taylor,Benn,Powell,Edwards. We had our best chance to beat Australia this first test and we let them get away...mental toughness needs to be worked on...when it counted our big bats failed to deliver. Great effort from the bowlers in putting us in a position to win the game.
ram
· 1 year ago
You said it; our bowlers did a great job – so why add another blower? We need the extra bat.
ram
· 1 year ago
Bowler
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
havent u seen enough of smith as an opener?
ram
· 1 year ago
CDrive, HHHHHuuuuuuuuuuu.......... Let me think of another opener..............no one comes to mind - Can u name someone...... No way not him.
NY1
· 1 year ago
Too many bowlers ,not enough batting.
victor
· 1 year ago
Cricketer, I do not know what the pitch in Antigua can do for our bowlers. But at this time I would safely go for pure pace attack. To play spinners against the solid Aussies is asking for trouble and asking for an early defeat. Slow bowling or spin bowling would be the biggest blunder against the Aussies. Your only hope of spinners lies in catching the ball near the boundary ropes. This is not to say Windies should give up on spinners! I believe for spinners to effectively perform at their optimum or this level calls for a mentally strong individual - an individual who has the "Alpha Male" characteristic and poised in confidence. And I do not see this person (Windies spinner) there yet. Jaggernauth looks too soft and the Aussies can see this. Benn is also the same. Even the Windies fast bowlers do not scare the daylights out of Pointing or Symonds, but because of their long run up they have the advantage of the bounce, and when line and length come together, the fast balls can be effective in getting them off the pitch. The 5th day attack of Lee and Clarke was lethal against the Windies. I looked at the Windies batsmen, and they all who batted at the crease were tightly apprehensive or lightly fearful of what these two bowlers were throwing at them. This is when Dyson should have encourage his batsmen to breeth in deeply to allay their fears and wait out the attack. And incidenttally, this is how the Windies have to attack the Aussies. Just MIRROR the Aussies. The 4th day attack of the Windies pace men were very effective, but while the Aussies were plumb on the wicket, the Windies ball were a bit off the wicket and accounted for the catches and not stumps flying. But I would not take anything away from Edwards or Powell or even Bravo. They were spectacular. The Windies batting line-up has to be as strong and consistent as the Aussies. Here you need the no-fear batsmen to get on the team. Guys who can swash Lee and company over the boundary without batting an eyelid.
GMAN
· 1 year ago
u guys who are advocating to sellect marshall in the eleven are crazy he has been a failure at the regional level with anaverage of 25, on what basis do u advocate this. Also the call for an inclusion of Benn into the eleven over Sammy is truly lacking thought. Why? Sammy ranks among the top three fielders in the team his presence saves u runs and he will take his catches he bowls with high effiency ie. a low strike rate and accurate, plus he can safly give u 25 runs or more per innins. think guys stop being regionalist in your thinking it does nothing for WI cricket
Cricketer
· 1 year ago
If not regionalist what would you have our thought process be; insularity?? Since Sammy's debut in England he has not done much when selected, and his bowling, though economical, is far from penetrating. This is not ODI cricket or 20/20 slugfest when containment and wickets share parity of importance. Test cricket is a gruelling activity and if we can't bowl out the opposition we have no chance of winning. Moreover, the team already has two allrounders in Bravo and Gayle, why add a third in Sammy who brings nothing that Bravo isn't already providing??
GMAN
· 1 year ago
Benn will give away runs in the field he cannot turn the probable run into an impossible run. he cannot turn a great shot though uppish, into a great catch, and in addition he cant hold a bat and score 5 runs. lastly, the 2 or 3 wickets Benn might get, Sammy gets the same amount of wickets for less runs. the fact is Sammy is harder to dispatch period. So their is a greater upside to a Sammy sellection than for Benn interms of bennefit to team overal.l
victor
· 1 year ago
John Dyson, I suggest you work personally with Chanderpaul to see if he has fully recovered from the blow of his head. If Chanderpaul he has not recovered, then this can be an awfully quick series in the Caribbean and a decidingly progressive decline in the young man's career . Hopefully, we would not like to see this happen to one of the new series of current icons of the game. From his teammates accounts, Chanderpaul exhibits everything that the Caribbean is all about. I do hope his health is stellar.
American
· 1 year ago
Its truly amazing that the selectors will drop 2 spinners after one match each- if the fast men and batters were held to the same standard then the entire team would have been dropped for each of the current lot had they up and downs with most having more downs than ups, ala Sarwan. Moeover, after one match almost everyone of the current lot did not light up the sky in their first match.
In Antigua's batting paradise, a spinner is a must, I guess the selectors have buy in to the claim that Gayle is a front line spinner.
Perhaps, the domestic competition should be scrapped if derived performance is ignored by the selectors.
WI lost the match because the batters failed- they could not string two innings- Bravo- good in the first but could not sustain it in he 2nd innings- Ramdin, made a mess in the first innings but was ok in the 2nd innings. Morton very good in the first, coud not sustain it in the second. Smith- shaky in both innings- Parchment- badly out of place in the test arena and the biggest loser of all the captain himself, a double failure in both innings- the manner of both dismissals is unbecoming for the team's captain, senior batter and premier batsman- as he is touted.
Moreover, his captaincy, specifically, his bowling changes gave the Aussie an escape route- during the first morning he refused to bowl Jaggas when both Ponting and Hussey was tentative and scratchy. In the 2nd innings he played right into Symonds hands, or should I say bat, when he incorrectly bowled Jaggas- none of the fast men were tired because the innings was less than 20 overs and they were doing a good job, unlike in the first innings.
If we are too judge spinners to a different, higher standard, then the captain must also be judged to a higher standard and pay the price for non performance.
Ganga needs to be back in this team- if he was the captain, he would not have done any worse than Saran in batting and he would certainly have been mighty superior a tactician- this would have made the difference between defeat and victory-
The selectors are unfit- they cannot see the importance of leadership to the team's performance. this is a real pity and WI played dearly for it.
Nt
· 1 year ago
Why don'ty you ask Ganga for his hand in marraige ?
NY1
· 1 year ago
Hard to argue with.American made some valid points.Sars s/b given an ultimatum,show me another #3 batsman in test cricket that has an average of under 40(similar # of games).Let's face it ,as of now-Parchment,Sammy,Jaggernauth,Benn and to a lesser extent all the other bats,except for Chanders are not TEst material.Do you guys think that apart from C'paul,Bravo,Edwards and Taylor anyone else would be selected in any other test team that is ranked higher than us? Be honest.I think Dave Mohd. would.
Cricketer
· 1 year ago
How do you know that "Dave Mohd" would be honest? Are you "Dave Mohd"????
If you think that Gayle, Sarwan, Morton, Samuels could not make the test team of other countries ranked above the Windies, then you are merely confirming your complete ignorance of cricket. I anticipate your unhindered descent to the sublimation stage with your call for Ganga to captain the Rest of the World team in a match against the Aussies.
NY1
· 1 year ago
Cricketer, If Ganga can average in the 30's like Gayle and Sarwan,tell me why he shouldn't be? We all accept that he is by far a better capt.than most including our present Capo and VICE
NY1
· 1 year ago
Allright Cricketer,let's take one by one: Opener: Gayle could replace which of the foll: Jacques/Hayden,Strauss/Cook,Gambir/Sewhag,Butt/Imran,Gibbs/Smith, Sarwan for : Ponting,Amla,Dravid,Sangakarra,Vaughn,Younis,Taylor. Morton/Samuel for : Clarke,Kallis,Tendulkar,Jayawardene,Peterson,Yohanna,Marshall.BE REAL.
Cricketer
· 1 year ago
NY1:
Gayle can open for any test playing nation. Lest we forget also he scored 319 against all that SA had to throw at him. Importantly he has ranked as high as No. 2 as an allrounder.
Sarwan is as good as all that you included, except for Ponting who is batting well at the moment.
Morton/Samuels may be a stretch replacing any of the examples you quoted, except for Clarke who is not as consistent as the others and especially against genuinely quick bowlers. Peterson is also a possibility to be replaced by either Morton or Samuels.
American
· 1 year ago
Gayle can open in most teams for ODI, but I can't see any team wanting him for a test line up. Perhaps Bangladesh and most certainly Zimbabwe, a question mark on NZ.
Sars cannot make any of the top test nations.
Shiv can walk into any team including Australia
NY1
· 1 year ago
Ditto
Cricketer
· 1 year ago
Make that a rather LARGE "IF", because he has not managed above the mid 20's after being around the test team since 1999. For him to avaerage in the 30's for the next several tests he would have to average above 50, which I do not see him doing consistently.
Nt
· 1 year ago
Ganga's average is 22. lol lol lol. Are you sure you are not American ? There is absolutely no way to argue for Ganga's inclusion. Stating that makes all other points pointless
American
· 1 year ago
NT I feel sorry for you sometimes- why do you not see the impotance of leadership- sometimes statistics alone does not suffice, especially in Ganga's case with his superior leadership capabilities.
Do you really beieve that if Ganga's average was identical to Gayle or Sarwan, WI would have won or not lost the matches he played on that the team lost?
Clearly the right answer is no.
Any way, to each his own.
And I apologize to you for the "bananna boy" comment, I was out of line to do so.
CW
· 1 year ago
Hi American, I will be visiting soon. Where in America are you based? Let em know.
American
· 1 year ago
CW. I'm not "based" in America- I was born and bred here-in the Mid-West USA.
URTHE IDIOT
· 1 year ago
NO WONDER YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT CRICLET
ram
· 1 year ago
CW, Let me know when u coming i (many in this blog) want pay his ass a visit also.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
yeah cw. let me know too, i bought u a manu shirt.
Clearly you can't spell Morton's name or you believe he and Devon Smith are the same person. If Smith does not open the batting he will not play down the order.
victor
· 1 year ago
Ram, do they still produce Russian Bear and Bucaneer Rum in Guyana ? When I was in High School, a while back, in the good ole days, Saturday nights would find us schoolmates around a 1/2 bottle of the Russian and when money began to whittle down we would camp around the cheaper pirate, Bucaneer. Do you recall Gunboat port wine? Around 12 midnight, Saturdays, when people were coming home from the cinema and all our money was down to spare change, you can bet the Gunboat was the choice ship of the linoleum covered table, of some dark hidden away bar, where music pelted out from large jukebox. I know Ram, you must have had the same experience like mine. I am certain Blade can recall "Perseverance" down St. Magdalen street or Mongol on Strand, or Coconut Grove AT high Bridge.
ram
· 1 year ago
Victor, I left Guyana in my teens, I dont know much - I went back couple of years ago for a very brief stay but not did not explore.
Chris
· 1 year ago
The secret to Shiv's consistency is a combination of his focus, good eye ala Sir Viv., excellent shot selection, not playing instinctively and as Sir Garfield Sobers said playing the ball off the wicket late and watching it all the way through. Sars by contrast is the direct opposite, he will flourish only when the ball is not seaming or swingingand there is negligible bounce. It was Greg Chappell who said some years ago that Sars will remain vulnerable just outside off-stump to the ball moving both ways as evidenced by his problems with Hoggard, McGrath, Umar Gul and Stuart Clark. His jerky and stabbing forward defensive shot and squared -up position after playing balls jagging in with bounce is ample evidence.
He needs to emulate Ricky Ponting's footwork and assured front foot movements outside off-stump and rid himself of his apprehension against the seaming and bouncing ball which for the most part induces poor shot selection when he is tied down.
Sars need to break the sequence of consistently low scores against the Aussies over four test series where he has only scored one century and three fifties. Hey Sars , play positively in the next two test matches but not overly agressively and certainly not at the expense of good common sense batsmanship.
American
· 1 year ago
Well said. The problem is this- Sars lack professionALISM- THUS HE WANTS TO CHANGE NOTHIG- PONTING AND OTHERS WOULD ADMIT THEIR WEAKNESS AND WORK ON IT, SARS ON THE OTHER HAND SEE NO NEED TO IMPROVE.
AND WHY NOT? HE'S RIGHT, THE SELECTORS AND UNIFORED FANS WILL STILL RATE HIM HIGHLY
HE'S GOT THE TALENT, NO DOUBT, BUT TALENT ALONE IS NOT ENOUGH AND THE RESULTS ARE FOR ALL TO SEE.
NY1 MADE A VAlid comparison with other number 3's in the world, where does Sars fit in- no in any team.
Younis Khan had the same problem for a few year, but guess what, Younis worked diligently on his weakness, now he is a top act despite Pakistan not playing many test due to "security concerns"- Sars ought to emulate him, but would he?
Lara tried to get Sars to improve, instead all Sars did was to lament how hurt he was about being dropped in Pakistan
CA
· 1 year ago
American you jackass Lara dropping Sarwan was selfishness on Lara's part which was obvious. They had no one better to replace him in the line up. You yourself said it that Sarwan is the one to take over from Lara. If thats the case then Ramdin should be dropped in that case. By the way as Nt said you should ask Ganga to marry you since apparently since Lara turned you down.
ram
· 1 year ago
The last series a few here was comparing Sarwan to the past WIndian greats, now they want to crucify him and are proposing to that the “ultimate pprik Ganga” back in the team – NOT on our watch. Shut da F** Up. Get loss.
victor
· 1 year ago
Ram, it's always like that. West Indians haven't changed a bit. The bandwagon has always kept expanding to accomadate daily and weekly turncoats. Because of this behaviour, the West Indies cannot get out of this mercurial and fluxy miasma. They are trying so hard to identify with some sport personality or politician, and whenever that someone/icon cannot live up to the ideals of that day, then it's rope time. Let's hang or skin the SOB - he has let my ideals/dreams broken to pieces by not accomodating my expectation. Sometimes I am amazed, that the Caribbean has not produced many more dictators or political strong men to rule this kind of mindset. I just finished watching Adam Gilchrist and H. Gibbs go down for under 5 runs in one of the 20/20 matches back to back. Should this have happened in the West Indies. the entire capital would have gone down in flames. It's just a game fellas. Don't get a cow ! In my NFL or NHL hockey pool, I am not worried that my team would not be in the playoff, and I am not worried that some of the players might end up behind bars. Just a game played by millionaire professionals who are just humans.
ram
· 1 year ago
Well said Vic.
ram
· 1 year ago
Victor, Can't wait for NFL to start, My "NY Giants" is de World champ.
Cricketer
· 1 year ago
Sorry Ram, that is not football; but then again intelligence was never a forte of Americans. How the hell can they call it football when it isn't even a ball that they use but an elliptical object, which they RARELY kick.
Football, as the name indicates, is primarily about KICKING a BALL. But, as usual, since they were not smart enough to invent football they had to come up with the bastardized name "soccer". Nowhere else in the world is the beautiful game referred to as soccer.
NY1
· 1 year ago
You guys are missing the point.Captaincy is obviously a burden that is too heavy for Sars.There is no dpubting his raw ability-but for how much longer shall we accept mediocre performances from someone with superstar ability(this goes for Gayle as well).Ponting has far less natural ability than Sars,yet has outdone him in every facet of the game,simply because of discipline and application.Look at Zaheer Abbas (probably one of ther greatest strokemakers of all time),after making 200 plus ,he got out playing the sweep shot,he made a promise never to play it again and has never done so-this was very early in his career.Don't necessarily agree with him,but it shows discipline ,mind you he was as talented as anyone playing the game today.Sars has never been a humble individual(maybe that's how he is),the sooner he realises that he is representing every West Indian and his team is relying heavily on him and competeing is more about grit and determination rather than showmanship-every supporter willhave a lot more to cheer about.So if some of you guys want to accept and wallow in mediocrity,then so be it
Cricketer
· 1 year ago
What the hell are you talking about? Have you ever looked at the stats for Lara facing up to Glen MCGrath?? Not very impressive, are they? But would you then extrapolate your argument above to suggest that Lara was not a good batsman??
Same situation with Sarwan or any other batsman for that matter; they have off days, which can be magnified palying against teams like Australia. You mentioned Zaheer Abbas, but failed to include the trying times that he had against the Windies pace battery. So too did Asif iqbal and Majed Khan. Interestingly, only Imran Khan, the allrounder coped well against Holding et al. Jeff Thompson and Dennis Lillee, the Aussie pace duo combined with Max Walker to demolish Clive Lloyd, Yagga Rowe, Kallicharan, Richards, Fredericks, etc. in the 1975-1976 series Down Under. Based on your postulation, these players were wallowing in mediocrity!!!
The point is, while we expect Sarwan to score heavily everytime he holds a bat, reality dictates that this will not occur. How soon it is forgotten what he did against SL!!!!!!!
NY1
· 1 year ago
Surely all those batsmen after 50plus matches had a much better average than 38.What a waste of god-given ability.I can't believe that you have accepted below par batting as the norm.Lift your expectations and only then will they raise their standards.
Cricketer
· 1 year ago
Perhaps you have difficulty understanding what I wrote. Can't help you there.
Nt
· 1 year ago
I think this has alot to do with the burdens of captaincy. There were few persons in the world with better form than Sarwan just a couple weeks ago. With Gayle and Taylor coming back hopefully, we will see the real sarwan. Sarwan is 8 times the cricketer ganga could ever be.
CA
· 1 year ago
American if you're not a woman/girl you're definitly gay. It is also obvious you definitly dislike Sarwan or you are dumb when it comes to cricket and don't know a shit about the sport. Unless you are insane.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
after the sa series, sars seem to be all set for taking up his batting role, and he should be left to do so, gayle is a very calm person, as stated by the players also and may function better in that capacity. and i agree with u nt, we will see more from sars in the next test.
was reading ramdhin's take on his batting, heard him say those things many times. he has shown that he can play a long innings. i dont know if he panics becasue of the numberhe bats at and knows that the tail is coming soon, but if taylor is given the oppportunity to bat longer, this may help calm ramdhin down a little also.
i still think that a good dropping is what he needs to stay focused though.
ram
· 1 year ago
Ramdin need to talk less and do more, Tayor should come in ahead of Ramdin.
NYi
· 1 year ago
Correction,one-eight the cricketer,but 8 times the batsman.
victor
· 1 year ago
Hey Ram, do you know the second test is all tied up and gift wrapped waiting for the Windies to take. Spread the word ! Tell the fellas to show up and give a bowling performance like they did at Sabina on the 4th day the Test is all their's. Pointing and his boys are dressing up for the Windies big bash party starting tomorrow. It's dance time, choose the reggae songs you most like to hear. Bring on Toots or Maxi ! Mashing up to 'Government Boots" . No let up ! Carifesta starting early.
American
· 1 year ago
Although I prefer and advocate for Ganga's leadership above both Gayle and Sarwan, I prefer Gayle over Sarwan...
Sarwan's got to understand his role in the team, if he already do, he most certainly don't seem to appreciate it or act the part.
His lack of maturity and leadership abilities is not only a drain in the team, but also a burden to him.
His performance as a batsman is at best stagnant, but more accurately in a downward spiral. Given his talent and the great investment made on him by WI, how much longer is the powers willing to give him to meet the expectations? Promoting him as captain was the wrong message to him and it is and will continue to burden him.
THe problem is that Sarwan, quite unlike Shiv, wants the glory associated with being WI captain without accepting and recognizing the enormous responsibility that comes with it.
He is not young, he's been part of the set up for the last 8 years, played against every country, and have seen and played against the 3 greatest batters of his era, notably, the greatest of them all- Lara, Tendulkar and Inzamam. He played against the best captain of his era, Flemings, yet quite strangely, he seem not to have learn anything?
Moreover, he had the services of Clive Lloyd, ostensibly as a father figure, his fellow country man seem not to have had any influence on him? Why?
The frustration level with Sarwan's inability to consistently perform is just too much to bear, notice the manner of both dismissals in the first test, can anyone who know this noble game justify Sarwan's approach during both innings- He it is who was chiefly responsible for WI defeat- by his double batting failures- although the selectors are to be blamed for his tactical errors, because after all, Sarwan did not select himself as captain.
Drop the selectors but keep Sarwan, for his enormous talent is worth a gamble, but he's got to understand the stakes involved and know that time is running out.
Can somebody whisper in his earSarwan's got to understand his role in the team, if he already do, he most certainly don't seem to appreciate it or act the part.
His lack of maturity and leadership abilities is not only a drain in the team, but also a burden to him.
His performance as a batsman is at best stagnant, but more accurately in a downward spiral. Given his talent and the great investment made on him by WI, how much longer is the powers willing to give him to meet the expectations? Promoting him as captain was the wrong message to him and it is and will continue to burden him.
THe problem is that Sarwan, quite unlike Shiv, wants the glory associated with being WI captain without accepting and recognizing the enormous responsibility that comes with it.
He is not young, he's been part of the set up for the last 8 years, played against every country, and have seen and played against the 3 greatest batters of his era, notably, the greatest of them all- Lara, Tendulkar and Inzamam. He played against the best captain of his era, Flemings, yet quite strangely, he seem not to have learn anything?
Moreover, he had the services of Clive Lloyd, ostensibly as a father figure, his fellow country man seem not to have had any influence on him? Why?
The frustration level with Sarwan's inability to consistently perform is just too much to bear, notice the manner of both dismissals in the first test, can anyone who know this noble game justify Sarwan's approach during both innings- He it is who was chiefly responsible for WI defeat- by his
NYi
· 1 year ago
American you are begining to sound like me,now someone will say we are one and the same person.
American
· 1 year ago
Well, great minds think alike
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
amercian can u chilax a little. sarwan was appointed just for first test becuase gayle was injured. everyone understands their role.
move to something else now.
American
· 1 year ago
Coverdrive I'm not willing to give up yet, so I'll continue to harp on anything and anyone who ails WI cricket.
By now you should know that I have adopted WI as my own and I only want to see good things happen.
Too many "fans" take criticism as a personal affront to their nationalistic dignity, thus any criticism of Sarwan for example is quickly followed by hooligans in Georgetown and Richmond Hill calling me names, dido for criticism for Jamaican players and not to be outdone, criticism of Morton usually results in NT praying for my demise.
I intend to remain steadfast for I offer a unique perspective in an unbiased manner. The fact the NT suffers from high blood pressure whenever he reads by piece is not my fault and that drunkard Ram is hopeless- don't blame me for their sickness.
Nt
· 1 year ago
I'm more amused more than anything else. Since you said you were born in america, it explains your absolute lack of knowledge of the game. The rest of us played this game; you didn't. That is why by the way former players make the best analysts. They are talking from experience and expertise. You the ignorance you talk can now be explained. Nothing you say hold any credibility.
ram
· 1 year ago
I will rather be a brunk than to be a PU**Y. by the way asshoole, you dont know me, so where u have this drunk from. U gayass...
WI
· 1 year ago
Ram, Nt you guys should just ignore American he obviously don't know nothing about cricket. Lets talk real cricket west indian way. Hope Gayle/Taylor back in the mix today go windies.
ram
· 1 year ago
Gayle is still out, hope sar get his act together
WICBSELECTORS SUCK
· 1 year ago
No Spinner included. I see lots of licks for the fast bowlers and a 11 wicket haul for MacGill.
WI
· 1 year ago
Wickets seems like a flat track we might be missing that spinner. But i hope not.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
wicket does not offer much it seems, bravo and sammy will be important today, and the rest just disiplined fast bowling, just be competitive in the bowling dept and fielding, taylor has good variation and is getting better. sars just has to be on par with his field placing against pointing, he is on business in this game.
watching the game ram?
Cricketer
· 1 year ago
Sarwan should not be afraid to introduce himself and bowl some leg break. This match will probably end in a high scoring and boring draw.
WICBSELECTORS SUCK
· 1 year ago
This match has results. Lost of LBW after day 2.
WICBSELECTORS SUCK
· 1 year ago
sorry meant lots not "lost"
American
· 1 year ago
Still drunk- you are hopeless?
Contact AA today- they will help you Ram, its your only chance- call them it will be the best call you will ever make in your sorry life
blade
· 1 year ago
It's back to the usual....poor selection, dropped catches, sloppy fielding....missing a spinner from this lineup to add variety. We need to replace Ramdin...he is sloppy and too complacent plus he is not bringing any energy to his bowlers and fielders. Unless something dramatic happens we will be facing a BIG total.....well Chanderpaul old reliable just takes the catch ...man this guy just keeps getting it done while the youn ger players continue to drop the ball!!!! Maybe now we can pick up Clarke and get back into this game...
ram
· 1 year ago
Coverdrive, Licks like pease
WICBSELECTORS SUCK
· 1 year ago
West Indies First Innings Score Card Smith -44 Marshall- 39 Sarwan-56 Morton-20 Chanderpaul- 102 Bravo- 119 Ramdin-9 Sammy-26 Taylor-15 Powell-8 Ewards-6
American
· 1 year ago
I hope West Indians take their selectors to task for coming up with this team- Jaggas should have been a must in this pitch instead of Sammy. This a a pancake pitch that will probably break up during the 5th day when WI are battting. Without a spinner to add variety the fast boys are in for a hard time.
I am yet again perplexed by Sarwan's field placing, he also looks jaded and dull in the field. I guess he is also now become a spinner.
Morton dropped a dolly of a chance that is probably going to cost 100 runs. At least Ramdin's dropped was tricky and extremely difficult, in fact it is a change only because Ramdin did so well to get to it.
Lets see how this pans out, but its seems like WI will be playing catch up.
Nt
· 1 year ago
lol lol lol lol lol lol
Nt
· 1 year ago
Baseball baseball. Stick to your game. You lack absolutely any knowledge of this game. ha ha ha ha
ram
· 1 year ago
Aaai Nt, Forget that fool, as WI mentioned earlier ignore that F-ing idiot. he is just a P*ssy
ram
· 1 year ago
anyone see mr coverdrive
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
well they did not get a heap of wickets, but on the positivr end they kept australia under 300 in a full day on a good pitch so i dont think thats too bad, but i guess the selectors thought gayle would havebeen ready, and would add some spin to game, but now its not there. just keep bowling good line and length and a breakthrough will happen, i do think that as soon as pointing was out that edwars should have had a go at clarke though, sars continued for a few more which helpled clark to get in.
Cricketer
· 1 year ago
Can't agree with you there coverdrive, containment is not a good thing in test cricket if wickets are not taken as well. Windies in the field for an entire day and then to continue the next day in the field for another long day will make the players wary. I would not be surprised if Ponting declares around tea time and give his bowlers a go at tired/sun drenched batsmen. You have played the game so you know this would not be a good situation for the Windies. I hope I am proven wrong and the Aussies are bowled out in short order today.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
thats not what said cricketer, i am implying that given the fact they did not get wickets they kept australia under 300 in 82 overs, thats consolation, going into the second day, come on we saw what our bowlers are capable of, have some hope for them. i am hoping they can at least bowl them out by tea, and take advantage ofthe batting strip for two days of so of batting.
i am not supporting australia, i am a wi fan, so thats where my hope is
Cricketer
· 1 year ago
Again, as I told Ram before, I have no difficulties with hoping, as without hope we all despair. However, hope is not a strategy, and at this point in the game the Aussies clearly are on top. The wicket, as I suspected is of no help to our bowlers, which was why I called for Benn (he was named in the 14-man squad) to be picked ahead of Sammy. I read where some believed we needed the batting of Sammy to win; if this is so, then we are consistently choosing the wrong frontline batsmen, whose job it is to get the runs; at least the lion's share of them. Having a specialist spinner on this wicket is not exercising any brilliance, simply commonsense, which seems to be eluding the selectors too often. Is it that the champion Australians know something that we don't where having a balanced bowling attack is concerned? There are no shortage of tear away fastbowlers in Aussieland; yet I see no urgency on their part to stack their attack exclusively with fastbowlers.
This brings me to my real peeve, and that is, why the dickens our groundsmen around the region cannot prepare better pitches? The selectors are choosing fastbowlers and the pitches are at best sterile; does this make any sense? Then again, what the heck do I know.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
THATS WHAT I WAS TELLING RAM ANDHE SAID I WAS TRYING TO "FIX" THE PITCHES.
WE RELY ON FAST BOWLING, SO WE NEED PITCHES TO ASSIST, IF WE RELY ON SPINNERS LIKEWISE, THATS WHAT HOME ADVANTAGE IS A ALL ABOUT
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
for all the good things sammy does, and i do ike the guy alot nt, he and bravo play the same role of allrounder, i would prefer to see the molding of a spinning allrounder, i am not saying to hell with sammy, he is too talented, i am just saying an allrounder to do more asa as a spinner and bat and field well, and i think dave mohammed is that person, once the selectors are willing to give him the time and patience they give the fastbowlers
ram
· 1 year ago
coverdrive are you proposing to dig up the pitch again, people can go to jail for that.
ram
· 1 year ago
Cricketer, Almost all the matches that played in Jamica (SP) usually have a result (win or loss). The WICB should employed those guys to prepare all the pitches in the caribbean.
ram
· 1 year ago
Wa happen to you coverdrive, keeping the Auusies under 300 runs in a day is a positive for us......
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
we are still in the game ram, have some faith,
ram
· 1 year ago
Coverdrive, I taught u will be doing the preaching in church this morning, I did not see you.
NY1
· 1 year ago
I think that our fast-bowling dept is equal to or slightly better than the Aussies and if they can score 500,then we should be able to score 400-425.The deciding difference in this game will be how well the Australian SLOW bowlers i.e McGill,Clarke and Symonds, does.Can anyone justify playing 5 seamers.
American
· 1 year ago
Yeah, the superior minds of Roberts, Greenidge and Butts, aided and abetted by some misguided fans and the public who couldn't care less
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
i was hiding the communion wine from you.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
this was to ram
ram
· 1 year ago
C-drive
Nt
· 1 year ago
Coverdrive I'm spoken about Sammy before. I think he is talented but for greater effect, he will need to get stronger. Why should Morton and Marshall get out off of Clarke. That is not acceptable.
Nt
· 1 year ago
Congrats to Marshall by the way. He's talented. i hope he can improve on his discipline.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
i like him alot, he looks more determined now, and having his mentor gayle and fellow jamaicans on the wi team will help him settle. i am really tired of smlith now and the selectors and forcing him on the team by thinking of him as a lower order batsman, morton needs to be more responsible, like i said after this series, certain players like morton, ramdhin, powell, smith have to be looked at carefully, i still think for nash and his patience would make a good replacement for samuels and can bowl thus adding more dimension, but the role of sammy, its either him or bravo for test, but he is a definited for one days though. when season players like morton who is playing as a specialist batsman, cannot be responsible enough to hold his wicket, for a greater cause , then he has place in test cricket. its time to separate oneday players from test players and or better yet just fire the selectors. we cannot continue making fools of ourselves on the international scene. and these morons who take care of our pitches should also be fired, alot has to be learnt from this series
sarwan cannot be captain ramdhin has to be repalced or put to bat after powell and taylor we need a spinning allrounder - mohd/benn/jaggy - they can all bat either bravo or sammy - thats easy smith - sent packing marshall - given the same opportunity smith was given morton - not a test batsman. chanderpaul - should be made a mentor to the under 19 wi team powell - need to understand his role e edwards/taylor - probably the 2 best young fast bowlers around - need to be taken care of if we are to win games gayle - has to get back in the team asap
This is my opinion
· 1 year ago
Nash should not play ahead of Ryan Hinds he should be treated fairly too. Ramdhin top scored in the second innings. Gayle and Chattergoon will be ready for the third test. Sarwan is a much more experience Captain than Bravo, therefore , he should be Captain when Gayle is not playing.
American
· 1 year ago
Rain rain don't go away, stay and come again, till WI are safe to bat again
victor
· 1 year ago
The batting has to be steady and cautiously if the Windies are ever going to learn from this test in Antigua.
West Indian
· 1 year ago
Try telling that to Ramdin, Morton, Smith and Sammy whose combined contribution is a magnificent 18 runs!!
ram
· 1 year ago
Ramdin have to go
blade
· 1 year ago
It is time to get a new keeper....Baugh or Browne to play in Barbados. Once again the tiger has roared fine century to at least get up to a somewhat respectable total.
ram
· 1 year ago
Chander is de rock........a..g..a..i..n....
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
we need a younger bunch of teachable batsmen who can work with chanders, this group has to come to an end. for my part only gayle sarwan chander, bravo, edwards and taylor should remain after this series, one good performance wil not do it taylor has to be allowed to develop higher in the order as an allrounder, austrialia will now make 250 or so and send the wi to bat with a 400 odd lead and see if they can survive tomorrow, if so, chanders and sars should open, this is not to win, this is to bat as long as possible.
Cricketer
· 1 year ago
If Australia goes for quick runs, for obvious reasons, then I sincerely hope that our bowlers don't assist them in the process. Disciplined line and length, good sound fielding and confidence will be mandatory for the Windies when the Aussies bat. .
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
all i can say is chandes deserves better that this, what more can we ask of such a great servant.
West Indian
· 1 year ago
His protection of the tail could be improved though. This is something that needs to be discussed by the Windies, so that whenever a frontline batsman is in with a tailender his first instincts is to see how he can take most, if not all, of the bowling.
WICBSELECTORS SUCK
· 1 year ago
Haul yu rass with that skunt. He(Shiv) did enough. What they have to do is to discard Smith, Morton and Ramdin.
Cricketer
· 1 year ago
Why they have to discard Morton? Did you see the pitiful decision of the umpire to give him out when the ball was NOWHERE NEAR THE STUMPS????????? Likewise Ramdin's lbw suggested that the umpire is an incompetent goon. I wonder if the WIBC will now ask the ICC to remove him for the next test, following along the lines of the precedent set by India. The ICC is very good at stating why an umpire is being replaced so it does not come across as incompetence.
Before you go running up your mouth, why don't you get your information first and then come back with a proper assessment. Morton has done nothing to get dropped.
ram
· 1 year ago
well said cricketer, do u think the WICB have the "ba**s" to request a replacement
WICBSELECTORS SUCK
· 1 year ago
No sure which match you talking about, but I am talking about that pitful shot he made and was caught for 2.
Cricketer
· 1 year ago
My apologies, it was Sammy and not Morton who was wrongly adjudged lbw. And you are correct, Morton had a sudden rush of blood to his head and got out in a rather silly manner.
victor
· 1 year ago
Coverdrive, the man Chanderpaul is no one's great servant. And so get that mindset out of your vocabulary and out of your perception. Maybe he is a great savant of his craft but certainly no one's servant. Do not mistake humility for servitude. Chanderpaul has come from a long lineage of Guyanese cricketers who examplify simplicity and humility. Moreover, it has come from his youthful playing days in the countryside with his rural upbringing and in line with his religious pertinacity. I do not personally know the man but what I see out in the cricket field coupled with the Guyanese experience. I know he is bordering on greatness and with his peculiar stance at the wicket he may well go down as a Windies/World genius. Only time will tell. He certainly plays and maintain his act with the best of them. And again, this man is no one's servant.
Nt
· 1 year ago
Victor, I"m sure Coverdrive didn't mean Servant in a demeaning manner. Servant Leadership is probably the highest accolade one could give another. It speaks to a person who is humble and hardworking. It is not one who is a slave; it is far from. He's a strong, great servant of W.I.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
thank u nt, i did not mean it the way victor stated, everyone is a little edgy and tense right now, cant blame them
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
waste of good vocabulary vic, u did not understand me.
victor
· 1 year ago
Amen, NT. My misdirected and warped perception. Just trying to uplift and aligned perception to universal acceptance.
Nt
· 1 year ago
I know where you are coming from. I get a little nervous when terms similar to that are used. Nothing speaks be strongly concerning our liberation when we can strip these terms of their terrible past.
ram
· 1 year ago
Good argument from all sided. I know Coverdrive was not implying slavery. Take it easy Vic.
Nt
· 1 year ago
I know this pitch has not helped the bowlers at all but I still commend. I also would like to commend our batsmen. WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON WITH THESE UMPIRES. ISN'T IT INTERESTING THAT BAD DECISIONS GO AGAINST US ALL THE TIME ??
American
· 1 year ago
I have argued ad nausem, that the so called elite umpires aren't so elite when it comes to playing against Australia. Its not that the world champs need a 12th player to help their cause, but more often than not, Australia benefits most when these elite panel make errors.
During the WI last tour to Auralia, 3 critical decisions went against Lara and others against Ramdin and Bravo during theur enterprising partnership in a match they were fighting to win and could have.
During the recent series against India, Bucknoe made sure that trend continued- as India suffered and went o the narrowly loose the series
Going back even further in 1992-93, against the formidable Pakistanis, and in a series that was billed as the championship, Pakistan suffered during the first test when Australia was at the jaws of defeat. That Australia went on to win that test and 16 consequitive ones is now history.
The errors by umpire Tifin, or to borrow a phrase from West Indian parlance, Umpire "Theifin" is remarkable and inexcusable and may cost West Indies this match.
What of poor Bravo who eschewed his natural attacking style in favor of crease occupation and in search of a century that he certainly looked good for?
Worse yet, Ramdin never stood a chance, given the criticism from fans about his poor batting, this could be devastating not only to WI but also to Ramdin's chances to regain his plce in the team.
Lets hope the selectors takes this into consideration. Dido for Sammy as "THEIFIN" made sure his return to the pavillion was short.
Lets see if "theifin" decides to even it up in the 2nd innings as WI will need all the luck to save his game.
As for the elite panel, its time the ICC allow broader use of technology in order to make them more effective and add more fairplay to the game. For those who claim umpire errors is part and parcel of this lovely game and those mistakes is part of the drama, I say, what about those aggreived players and teams like WI who are trying to compete with top teams and do not deserve to be chopped down by a crooked finger?
ding
· 1 year ago
What umpire Tiffin has done is deeply entrenched in mindset. He would claim he is fairminded, but for those who are affected by poor officating are deeply affected emotionally. it all has to do how some people are percieved by others. Skin colours are still a criteria for passing unfair justice, see the US prison pardons. But not to worry the torch has been passed and the power structure have already been shifted. In years to come, the first shall be last and the last shall be first. In the meantime it's just a game govern by people who can make a bad call. But when it's so many, something smells rotten in Denmark, and a mark den have to be made against that official name.
ram
· 1 year ago
The umpire strikes again - the victim is Marshall.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
they just got it all wrong today, if were going to go after the runs or occupy the crease sars and chanders had to be there from the begining, smith marshall and moton we know would not be able to deal with this pressure, we need stabilty for 2 sessions today, now is an uphill battle just to force a draw.
ding
· 1 year ago
The Windies are poised to take this one. It will come down to a photo finish. Just believe it can be done and a great upset is in the making !
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
please can someone who can make decisions get morton and smith off this team
WI
· 1 year ago
Smith is just like another Ganga will be given another long run and make the same mistake. Is Chattergoon still injured?
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
i think so if he is ok for next test maybe gayle might consider batting at 4 and have marshall open with chatters.
i really dont know right now. its like we are forcing players into positions, nothing in place for future thats the bottom line.
new selectors please.
WI
· 1 year ago
2nd you on that coverdrive.
Nt
· 1 year ago
Morton and Smith alone ?????????? Give me a break. Ramdin needs to be dropped too. Marshall has no business in this team. Drop all four.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
I said so about randhin and sammy also nt, i was just refering to the innings so far., take it easy
Nt
· 1 year ago
That suggestion that gayle bat lower down for Marshall. He hasn't scored a first class century. Give me a break !!!
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
marsaall has show more class in one innings than smith has all year
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
we dont have a number 4 batsman nt, seeing that u see more than i do in the wi who do u suggest at 4
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
no a bas run rate for 50 overs if we had more wickets in hand, hope they can hold on for a draw at least.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
i am interested to know nt whats your suggested 20 or so for the future - nt.
Cricketer
· 1 year ago
Marshall, I agree has little to no data on his resume, but if we are honest, he certainly looked more accomplished than the "experienced" Smith. He was also unlucky when he batted today.
Morton, like too many of our players, appears to lack consistent confidence. However, I would not drop him, as I don't believe there is a replacement for him, including the much touted Nash, who still has to establish himself.
The consensus is clear, or should be, on Ramdin - it's time for him to be sent back to the drawing board and be replaced by either Baugh or Browne. Play Sammy in the ODI's only. Push Taylor up to No. 8 and let him start to develop into a "Malcolm Marshall", i.e. a fastbowler who can also bat. I would not drop Powell, for the same reason as Morton, I just don't see anyone else with whom to replace him, and for the most part he bowls very well in tandem with Edwards and Taylor.
The Windies should treat the current test as an ODI and try for a win. Playing for a draw proves nothing other than telling the Aussies to keep the Sir Frank Worrell trophy.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
i agree with u and how they should approach this game, like a oneday. i dont think there is anyhing so special about morton, to keep him there, but i agree with u or powell.
WICBSELECTORS SUCK
· 1 year ago
Just as how you are justifying Marshall place on the side even though he has little experience, you can use that argument and play someone else. GET RID OF MORTON, SMITH, RAMDIN, AND POWELL.
ram
· 1 year ago
The captain is digging in, can we pull this one off, 37 overs - 6 runs per over.........lets hope. Coverdrive start praying. I heard you did a Rev. Jeremiah Wright on Sunday mass.
Cricketer
· 1 year ago
ram:
It does not appear that they want to go after the runs, which is a mistake. Drawing this game means that the 3rd test is academic, as the Aussies would have retained the trophy. Both Sarwan and Chanderpaul are capable of raising the run rate, but perhaps in their mind a draw against the world champions equates to a win based on past performances of the Windies.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
i think they dont have the confidence that bravo will stick aroundm and ramdhin and sammy, should have played their last game for a while,
if they keep getting the odd boundary and singles and stay at 6 to 7 and over they can make a push at the end, but i dont think they will take any risk
its a shame when their is no confidence after number 5
ram
· 1 year ago
One of them should go for it and the next one hold down the other end. Its still possible, Bravo can hit the ball also.
Nt
· 1 year ago
There is absolutely no sense in going after the runs. It is an impossibility right now.
Here are some names. Now if they were going for an opening batsman for the future. Why didn't they go for A. Barath. He has scored 2 first class centuries in 9 matches and he averages over 44. Why didn't they go for him. Another person to look at again is Ryan Hinds. And I'm fed up with Ramdin. Bring back Baugh. Here is my side.
Gayle Chattergoon. (if any of those persons are unfit, barath should be brought in Sarwan Chanderpaul Hinds Morton Baugh Bravo Taylor Powell Edwards
Nash didn't even average over 40 in this season and in his first class career he averages 30.
Cricketer
· 1 year ago
If that is your suggested batting order, I would not have Hinds bat before Morton. Either Morton is going to step up as a batsman at No. 5 or he is not, considering he is not an allrounder. Hinds deserves a chance at redemption, plus he can also turn over his arm. I like the idea of having Baugh at No.7 and it would mean having reasonably decent batting down to No. 9.
With respect to Marshall's flash in the pan selection, bear in mind he is also one of the better fielders in the region and not intimidated by really fast fastbowlers. I would not consider Adrian Barath ahead of him; but perhaps Lendl Simmons.
Nt
· 1 year ago
I need to give you the facts. Lendl Simmons : 48 matches, four hundreds, 11 fifties and an average of 29. Marshall : 17 matches NO hundreds, 4 fifties, and a whopping average of 25. Barath : 9 matches, 2 hundreds, 3 fifties, and an average of 44. All these persons are good fielders. But the stats seem very clear to me. If you are picking someone on potential, Barath wins out. Maybe you need to see him. I have. He looks very promising.
Cricketer
· 1 year ago
I don't necessarily read into stats, as there are too many factors that can be introduced to qualify the data. For example, without seeing the current match and someone was shown Lee's bowling stats, they would not see any footnotes about the assistance he got from the umpires for those dismissals. Further, why would you want to throw Barath into test cricket after 9 matches? Isn't this part of our problem, compared to the more accomplished cricketing nations, that develop their players better before launching them into test cricket. Young Pollard comes to mind. The very Marshall also comes to mind in this regard. Let the players gain some experience through more A-team tours so that they are better prepared. I have little regard for the regional matches, which is why I don't believe Nash is ready either.
Nt
· 1 year ago
Point taken. The problem we face is that we have so little resources. and there are so little opportunities regionally to develop these talents. He has played two seasons for trinidad. i dout it would have hurt him. I don't think Chanders had great experience before he played for w.I. I would have to research.
Don't downplay Lee's ability. He's one of the most feared bowlers in the world. For him to have gotten those decisions he had to put the ball in the right place. We don't have a Lee on our side either.
Nt
· 1 year ago
Bravo is not a steady enough player to be a constant number six. That is why I prefer him at 8. Let us watch Mr. Ramdin. lol lol lol
Cricketer
· 1 year ago
I agree, he blows hot and cold too frequently. I don't think we will lose this match, but Bravo is not adding to his stocks as an allrounder by batting this way.
Nt
· 1 year ago
I hope Ganga is learning from Sarwan how to bat. The difference is that of class. Ganga has none.
Do you believe this ? this is the first test drawn between Austrailia and W.I. since 1995. That is amazing. If my memory serves me right, we have only won one. That was in Antigua. If this is not a step in the right direction, then i don't know what is.
CA
· 1 year ago
Nt watch out you say about Ganga. The dumb ass fagot American will soon jump on you. By the way i haven't seen him for recently with his weird analasis and comments.
American
· 1 year ago
Considering the umpiring mistakes, the opposition and the poor team selection, this performane by the WI could be described as better than he first test. It demonstrates the boys are improving.
This honorable draw should give the team encouragement going into the 3rd test, a series draw thus looks good.
The form of both Sarwan and Chanderpaul is an enormous boost to the team and if these two can continue in Barbados then WI changes are very good. However, it could be better if the selectors can somehow come to their sense.
For the 3rd and crucial test, I'll recommend the following team in batting order
Gayle- if fit, if not, Bharat Ganga Sarwan Nash Chanderpaul Bravo Ramdin Powell Taylor Jaggernauth Edwards
West Indian
· 1 year ago
I am convinced, as I am sure others are, that you are nothing but a provocateur who can't be taken seriously. But we need the occasional laugh, so please continue making an ass of yourself.
Nt
· 1 year ago
A little comic relief is good now and again. It borders on insanity.
ram
· 1 year ago
Nt, Its more like legally cricket incompetent, we know he will push his boyfriend.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
just could not understand why chanders kept taking a single of the 1st ball of each over he faced to give ramdhin strike when we were trying to draw.
UR SO STUPID
· 1 year ago
I am amazed you are still posting on this blog. You are so dumb you don't know when you are being insulted and thats all of the time. Its good to have a "born American" or so you claimed following cricket but it is also good to shut the hell up when you don't know shit about the game. Like I said before what you have is a computer and the free will to post crap. What you don't have is a brain and understanding of the game.
Islander
· 1 year ago
American, are you gay? Or you just don't like other players who are not from T&T, don't know much about cricket except what you perhaps leant from google? Otherwise, you should definitly stop making a jackass of yourself. You have aboviously showed dislike for many prominent players on the team especially the captain Sarwan etc....
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
ram, where is your boy cw? i know he s/b in the us.
and observant, br and surendra - makes u wonder right.
ram
· 1 year ago
Coverdrive are you implying they coming in with new names
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
maybe they are the same person
ram
· 1 year ago
Islander, he is not making him/her self a jackassm he's been a JACKASS all his life.
WI
· 1 year ago
American, still would your stupidity. Ram,Nt, covedrive i think we did really well in drawing the 2nd test and i do believe if Sar and Shiv had confidence in the batting line up to follow would have had a go at the runs. Also if we had Gail opening with a quick fire start could have again upset the Aussies. Well I think this team has shown major improvement recording breaking SA win, drawing with SL, drawing a game against the aussies after so many games and had not the incompetent umpiring we could have leveled the present series.
ram
· 1 year ago
agree - yea man
Nt
· 1 year ago
Ram and W.I., we are the only ones who recognize this improvement. You notice the sceptics. They are Lara fanatics. Go Windies
ram
· 1 year ago
What ru Nt a poet or wa.....bowy u got rymes
"You notice the sceptics They are Lara fanatics Go Windies"
nice nice
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
consultng your crystal ball again nt,
u seem to know who are real supporters, let me see how much u support with sammy and morton out of the team.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
everyone here supports the team , no one really has the time o wase, thats why they spend time here. so to say "we are the only ones' just confirms your idea th at u know more than everyone here. up u will drop ramdin and sammy from a team (i agree), one keeps well the other bowled ok and can contribute with bat, but named morton , who to every seen and learnt supporter is not test, on your team to go forward.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
it was ok wi, but to win we must have th,e right team, our batsmen should have been able to beat that score on that pitch, sars and chanders should have opened to get the tempo needed, none of us had the confidence in the openers and morton on the last day., even bravo still in 20/20 mode.
ram
· 1 year ago
stop causing trouble coverdrive.....we have 7 days to go
NY1
· 1 year ago
S/B Ganga C'goon Sarwan Gayle C'paul Bravo Ramdhin Taylor Powell Edwards J'nauth
ram
· 1 year ago
Anyone see CW and Surendra...they are missing I am about to put out an a search warrant for my peeps
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
cw is supposed to be in the us looking for american
Devon L Wilsonq
· 1 year ago
I think Posting on this website is like working in Russia.
WI
· 1 year ago
Coverdrive I mean no disrespect as I am not American. As you said that you also play the game I do respect most of your opions. But I am sure you will agree with me that Sar and Shiv could'nt have played any better and at around tea time had we 2 or 3 other reliable batsmen in that position in the game I am sure they would have gone for the runs. I don't believe in changing a batting order except in limited overs. If either was out earlier the aussies would have cleaned us up easily.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
thats the point wi, we had no reliable batsmen, i am just saying for this game and this game only, our chances of winning would have been better at least up to tea, then a different approach could have been made with acceleration if needed form bravo & morton. but pressure started early and it was predictable. sarwan showed he could have attacked more and chanders can be a genius in situations.
to sum up, i am never satisfied unless i win, this draw was ok , for me, i am pleased generally, but our problems started before the series when smith was picked as an opener, when like nt said we have options like the kid from trinidad. sarwan automatically becomes an opener.
ram
· 1 year ago
Coverdrive, I will be a dis-service to the young man by throwing him into a lion’s den.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
agreed but would u prefer to put up with smith or ganga, chatters/marshall for now. but keep the kid around
ram
· 1 year ago
do u perfer posting here or working in Russia, its your choice....no one have a gun on your head
ram
· 1 year ago
was responding to Devon L Wilsonq
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
so don't post
surendra
· 1 year ago
Ram
In Gy now
ram
· 1 year ago
Be careful bro
WI
· 1 year ago
Spot on there Coverdrive. Good one Ram to Devon Wilson no one has a gun to your head in posting here..lol
West Indian
· 1 year ago
I suspect you are someone else or you were waiting for the invitation from coverdrive to "re-appear". The coincidence is simply too good.
West Indian
· 1 year ago
This was directed at surendra.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
yes sir, i think we caught one west indian
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
so wi r u also west indian or a diff person?
WI
· 1 year ago
lol, na coverdrive i don't have time to watse and a boring life like America
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
cool, just curious, lets keep it original, at least we know ram is ram.
ram
· 1 year ago
Correct mr drive
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
chanders in the top 10, good for him, taylor doing well also ram, do u see another 3 or 4 fast bowlers out there who can contest powell for a place?
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
rounders 2.30 pm sunday ram. call me
ram
· 1 year ago
u got my gears
ram
· 1 year ago
good catch
victor
· 1 year ago
Hey Ram,
Stir up the pot !
The Windies have to win this last test. And win convincingly and rather commodiously so the Aussies have no doubt , when they get back home, that the Windies matched their prowess at all areas and the Windies are serious contenders. How about calling for Baugh as a batsman to add to the defence. How about getting Pollard. Gayle should play as batsman and bowler. Keep Marshall to open. Again, go with the same pacemen Taylor and Edwards.We need another Collymore.
The 20/20 match should be played with some new Windies faces.
The one dayers should have a pool of current test players and successful domestic players. Let the dogs (new players) out ! Lets see what we have.! Lets see who can stand up to Lee and Clark.
NY1
· 1 year ago
Given a chance you guys would have a different 11 for every game. you are not any different from the selectors,only the -players are not the ones you would choose.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
i think u will see the issues are the same for all of us, an opener, a spinner and a middle order batsman , and ramdhin.,
American
· 1 year ago
Well said NY1
Cricketer
· 1 year ago
Victor:
There is nothing wrong with stirring the pot as long as the right ingredients are in it. If we are to send home the Aussies with some real retrospective thoughts why in the world would you want to include Pollard in the pot?? We also do not want another Collymore; that is another medium fastbowler as we already have one in Bravo, who can also bat. The Baugh inclusion is agreed, since Ramdin needs a good shaking. If Gayle is indeed fit then he must set the tone at the top of the innings. Marshall, if selected, will enjoy Kensington where the ball comes onto the bat and he can display his wide range of strkes. If Morton sits, then I would bring in Ryan Hinds and also Benn for Sammy. A suggested starting 11 follows:
Vic,stop smoking that shit,ican tell thru yur writing
victor
· 1 year ago
NY1, The selectors like myself are trying to meet the demands of the 3 distincitive formats of the game. The game has evolved differing genre which requires different gambols of prodigious skills. No longer should you draw up a team that would unchangable for a generation. This is the golden age of cricket and the Windies need as many good cricketers as they can find.
victor
· 1 year ago
Cricketer,
I like your 11 selection.
However, Morton, Bravo and Benn are a toss up. Bravo is a genuine allrounder, and especially a workhorse for change of bowling. I like him in a line up if no one else can come to the plate. Bravo is hot and cold. Benn, only if he can firstly produce a thick fat bat. I would have like to see how Ryan Hinds can match the Aussies.
Incidentally, if Jaggernauth is reading this, he must work on and polish up his batting and return as a strong batsman spinner. Go to the gym and work on strength and toughness. Also he has to develop mental formidable fortitude forte Take a page out or talk to Lance Gibbs in how to go about developing this trait..
Nt
· 1 year ago
An Austrailian said that Jaggerrs will struggle to do well at this level because he doesn't have variety. Benn has just a little more. It is very hard to make an argument for marshall, Smith, Morton, Ramdin-very hard. I was thinking aloud when i suggested that Barath would be a better option than Marshall. Marshall can play shots but he lacks application. Barath seems to have a little more patience. He's young but for a young man, he has scored fairly well at regional level so far. I'm willing to consider the argument concerning holding back a little. This is my 11. After reflection, I"m willing to give a couple players a last chance. If they fail in this match, the changes will roll in for the one dayers.
Nt your team seems very logical but I am not sure about Hind though. Ramdin's keeping is the best I will agree with you that dropping the Aussies top six is the last thing you want.
ram
· 1 year ago
Gentlemen (Victor, Nt, Coverdrive, West Indian, Cricketer WI, and...), We all kicking ourselves looking for an opener, we have one, Gayle – one of the most destructive opener in the game. In the last test it was stated that he’s 90% fit, that’s good enough. I taught real men play cricket. I other sports players have broken bones, bleeding, etc. and they play. Gayle not too long ago that he fears no one and the cricketing world know who he is. If he is 90% all we want is for him to play @ 50% of his ability and that will be better than Smith or Marshall played @ 100% of their ability. We need Gayle on the field – that could be his best medicine. He could just stay at slips all day. I am not a doctor, I never have an injury he has but at 90% I think that’s good enough. I may be 100% wrong but I just want to put it out there.
Ps. go easy on me now....
WI
· 1 year ago
You might have a point there Ram. At least he would have probably done better than Marshal, Smith and Morton in the last test.
American
· 1 year ago
You are not only 100 % wrong, you are also a 100% jackass and 100% drunk.
ram
· 1 year ago
The Ba**y-bowy is in de house. I was wondering if he/she/it ever hears the phrase “Speak when you are spoken to” This “thing” should go back on the board and read how many people address him/her as a Jackass.
NY1
· 1 year ago
Gayle will not play.HE SCARED OF THE AUSSIES.With a batting average of 39,why would he play if 50 % fit, It will drop to 19.5.Gayle was never and is not a test opener,he will do a loot better @ 4-6.Let C'goon,Marshall and Ganga compete for the test opening slots.It is about time that we have specialist position players and give our guys a fair shake,not everytime they go out to bat or bowl they are thinking about the next game.They are too busy thinking about the morrow rather than learn how to live /play today.
Nt
· 1 year ago
lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol
Cricketer
· 1 year ago
If I did not know better I would swear you were the persona non grata. Nonetheless, let's examine your assertion that Gayle is not an opener and that he is afraid of the Aussies. To begin with he has scored 99.5% of his test runs as an opener. He is the ONLY Windies opener to have scored a triple century, and against a quality side, namely SA. In the ODI Champions Trophy competition in India he ripped the Aussie bowling to shreds and it was MUCH stronger then ,as McGrath and Warne were still around. He played with a broken finger during the last tour of SA exemplifying REAL GUTS; something that many of us have no idea about.
Obviously you need to be pardoned, as clearly Math was not one of your better subjects in school, otherwise it would have been evident to you that to reduce an average of 39 (computed over 70+ tests) to 19.5 would require more than the solitary remaining test, even if he made a pair. You don't just divide the 39 by 2 and expect that the result is correct. You have just embarrassed yourself with such gross ignorance of statistics.
NY1
· 1 year ago
Seems English is your 3rd language.Gayle is a terific opener in the shorter version of the game and he vwill score 39 intotal if he opens in the 3rd match.R U sure the triple he made was not against Zimbabwe? About playing with a broken finger-Nothing heroic,if you saw the game he tried his best to get OUT so that C'paul could be left stranded and he gave us NO chance of competing,played for sympathy and got it from the likes of you.
Nt
· 1 year ago
Gayle has 1 hundred against Zimbabwe, 1 against New Zealand, 3 against South Africa, one against bangladesh and one against England. He has a double century against New Zealand and a triple against England. He doesn't have the patience of Chanders but he has improved that. He's without doubt one of the most valuable cricketers we have.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
alot of these non-cricketers fail to understand the role that a player like gayle fulfills on a team, for those of us who played and still play a dominating player like chris can set the tone for the rest of the team once he gets the start we know he can, and he can also inspire players also. thats what also makes a great captain, not just tactical ability. if can have great skill as a tactician, nut if u cannot inspire with performance then its like 50% of the job. alot of us including myself have critized gayle for his approach sometinmes but i read a recent interview with him and i understand him more. players have a great relationship with him, and they know what he expects from them, and he does not have to say much if he is upset or anything - and i think this makes a good captain, who can lead and inspire. this last test i believe we will see a different team, sars in form again, chanders just acumulating, and a few players understanding they may get the axe if they dont perform, and a pitch that brings a result. so i do agree with ram, even if not gayle is not 100% he is still good at 70% or so. i hear good things and this bunch and the unity they have, and the role that prayer has brought to the team,. and its good, and i think the selectors and the mgt feel that this group ,, which is a young unit, may be the batch to take us u to the top 4 at least in test cricket. so for me i am willing to be more patient with a few players, i think gayle will make the difference in the next test. to hell with the stats for now.
blade
· 1 year ago
Gayle has not played any cricket for some time so he will be rusty...if he is fit to play then I agree with Nt's eleven for the third test. If he is not fit then I would open with Marshall and Chattergoon.
victor
· 1 year ago
Cricketer,
OUTLINE YOUR 11 SELECTIONS AS THE PICK FOR THIS LAST CRUCIAL TEST, SO THAT MR. CLYDE BUTTS, JIMMY ADAMS, JOHN DYSON AND OTHER PANEL MEMBERS OF SELECTORS COMMITTEE, HAVE SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. FOR MYSELF, I AM DOUBTFUL OF MORTON STRIKING FORM AT THE OVAL. RAMDIN CAN GO AS A SPECIALIST BATSMAN AND CAN GIVE YOU 30 OR 40 RUNS.
Cricketer
· 1 year ago
Last thing first; Ramdin made the squad/team as a wicketkeeper/batsman in the mold of nearly all of his predecessors. Therefore, if he cannot fulfill that role consistently, then he should not be allowed to deny a true specialist batsman his position. To relieve him of the wicketkeeping duty in the hope that he scores 30 or 40 runs as a "specialist" batsman just does not cut it for me, as this is not an ODI that's upcoming.
I have already made my suggested 11 known above and they were:
1. Gayle (Bat naturally and lead by example) 2. Marshall (Kensington should suit him well) 3. Sarwan (in good form) 4. Chanderpaul (needed in this position to solidify the top order and frustrate Aus.) 5. Morton (he can bat, but lacks confidence, so Gayle must step in more) 6. Baugh (Has little fear of Brett Lee et al and is not a bad keeper) 7. Bravo (Can and must bat better) 8. Taylor (Rising all-rounder who must be encouraged in this emerging role) 9. Powell (Be consistently dangerous or move out) 10. Benn (Home ground advantage and better option than Jaggernauth) 11. Edwards (Improved but still a little inconsistent)
I am una ware of the condition of Chattergoon, but even if he is "recovered", to have two recently injured openers coming back at the same time for this last test is not my recommendation. I picked one in Gayle for obvious reasons.
Smith I am afraid is out of contention for the forseeable future. Like Ganga he has not done justice to his many opportunities and cannot reasonably expect to maintain his position in the team.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
good team there, but for this wicket, i would go with extra batting in hind for benn . edwards, powell, bravo, taylor, gayle and hinds is alot of bowling.
ram
· 1 year ago
Cricketer, I agree with Coverdrive - haveing benn is just another bowler, we need the extra bat, if it is Hinds I will live with that. Go windies.....
ram
· 1 year ago
victor My Pal, there is no where i can accept Ramdin giving us 30 or 40....at this point I will opt for Browne or Baugh. Let be fair
NY1
· 1 year ago
Ramdin is the best keeper we have had in a long time,i won't trade a chance for the Aussies top 6/7 for the 30/40 extra runs.We neeed a keeper who can bat not the other way around.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
squad named ram, smith and parchee out, chattes in, and roach, i have not seen or heard much of roach,
nt, can u shed some light on him for us?
ram
· 1 year ago
Coverdrive, I dont know much about Roach, can he keep - why they still have Ramdin in the squad.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
i think they want him as a keeper first right now, hoping he will turn around his batting i think they will use baugh for the limited overs games then make an assessment as to who they will go forward with.
like i said with morton, ramdhin, and powell under scrutiny right now, we may see some good performaces, hope they do like keith atheron, and make runs whenever under the knife
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
where is cw man? maybe he is trying to get manchester united tickets for next season
NY1
· 1 year ago
Morton s/b dropped not smith.11 sb 1.C'goon 2.Marshall 3.Sarwan 4.C'paul 5.Gayle 6.Morton 7.Bravo 8.Ramdin 9.Taylor 10.Powell 11.Edwards We r playing to tie the series ,i don't think we can afford the youngsters a chance-too important a game. Some may disagree with the "long" batting line up. I think we need it and would have preffered Hinds @ #6 ,he gives us variety.Gayle and C"goon needs to play themselves in.I think with tese guys @ 100% fitness ,The Aussies don't stand a chance.Remember we WON every 2nd. innings comfortably ,although we had some very poor decisions against us.We need to play our 1st inning as though it is our last inning-give it your best shot(our best will beat any other team presently-i should have said play to our abilities). I believe we can HUMBLE the Aussies.Ponting knows it too.All we need now is for our guys to believe it.
ram
· 1 year ago
Coverdrive, The last I saw CW was a week ago on Flatbush ave with a piece of wood over his sholder. I think he said he is looking for the FOOL (you know who)
Nt
· 1 year ago
Are these selectors mad ??? kemar Roach ? He's not quick at all. Is this a ploy to get people out to watch the test match and if so, why didn't they do that in Antigua ? i don't understand this ?? Wouldn't Pascal from Windwards be a better choice ? What about Rampaul ? This is just appauling and they must answer for these ignorant decisions.
ram
· 1 year ago
Nt, I think the selectors was looking for a bench warmer so they picked Kemar
Jack Sprat
· 1 year ago
Nt, you are right, it just a ploy. They realized that after the poor attendance for the second test. Also, sis you see the cost of the ticket? $75.00 US a day? Then again its a good move to put some pressure on Powell.
Cricketer
· 1 year ago
Nt:
I agree with you where Roach is concerned and in the Jamaican vernacular " 'im force ripe". Nothing against the youth but we have been down this road before with especially Taylor. Once picked, Taylor felt that he had something to prove; went out their and tried to bowl too fast but could not maintain the pace and broke down in the process. Is this what the selectors want for Roach? Let the youth go on some A-team tours first and develop experience playing against competent opposition and in different playing conditions.
Rampaul unfortunately is his own worst enemy; lack of fitness, inconsistent and not motivated. His previous injury may have affected his rythm also.
Pascal I know very little about so I have to rely on your judgement.
victor
· 1 year ago
Mr. Julian Hunte, I have just read your presentation of The Progress Report of Windies Cricket. Since you have taken office , I must agree that you have made giant strides in ensureing the governance and management of the financial health of the WICB has steadily improved however malnourished and lean it may have been before. Now, you have set new goals and fresh achievments to accomplish and this I stand together with other West Indians and heartily applaud your vision for guiding Windies Cricket. There is one thing I would like to see though. The set up of an external watching committee who interacts with the WICB and red flag unfinished commitments and other unfinished matters pertaining to timelines and unsustainable constructs. This watching committee should be comprised by journalists of cribbeancricket.com and other independent West Indian newspaper journalists of the ilke of Tony Cozier, Tony Becca etc. The money to fund this endeavour of "watching committee" should be generated from a special West Indies cricket lottery sold in all the region. Or any event or idea that can come from this group of people, surely there are enough ideas floating out there.
ram
· 1 year ago
count me in
Devon L Wilsonq
· 1 year ago
RAM: Someone needs to Hold Pharcment and knock you in your dumb head. That nicca does not belong in Test Cricket, He has not common sense and throw his wicked away.
That boy need to go back to his hut in Jamaica and Learn how to play Cricket.
Fool got the best Chance to be the man at the top of the Order and every time he throw his wicket away. Nicca you are not VIV Richards...
Cricketer
· 1 year ago
Hey; quit that type of backward language on the forum. There is no need to denigrade the guy simply because he failed. He is not the only one manifesting the wholly inadequate preparation for test cricket. All of our promising test cricketers have had to endure this lack of a decent first class season. Playing a handful of regional games hardly prepares them for the test level.
WI
· 1 year ago
Guys, my eleven for the next test would be: 1. Chattergoon 2. Marshal 3. Sarwan 4. Gayle 5. Shiv 6. Bravo 7. Ramdin. 8. Taylor 9. Powell 10. Sammy 11. Edwards.
surendra
· 1 year ago
Benn instead of Sammy
Nt
· 1 year ago
Gayle cannot bat at four. That is crazy. I would prefer that he doesn't play. Marshall had a good innings but his record suggests that he will not have another good one right now. Also, the tail is just oo long. Ramdin is not producing at all and Bravo goes and come. I would drop Sammy and bring in Morton.
NY1
· 1 year ago
ditto,but after such a long lay off ,#4 at least for the first inning .
WI
· 1 year ago
Agree with you there NY1. Marshal and Chattgergoon deserves to play. Morton seems really out of sorts in Antigua. Reason i exclude Benn because Barbadoes is a pace wicket.
Cricketer
· 1 year ago
Why would you want to play both Gayle and Chattergoon, neither of whom are TEST match ready? If Gayle plays, Chattergoon sits and vice-versa. Morton is a better prospect at No. 5 or No. 6. Also, I don't subscribe to the notion that the Kensington wicket is a fastbowling pitch. In fact, none of the wickets in the Caribbean are truly pacers' paradises. Consequently, I would include Benn in the team as the specialist spinner. Again, if 8 batsmen, including Taylor cannot get the job done, they should give back their match fee.
Jack
· 1 year ago
They will HAVE TO PLAY BOTH OF THEM. Gayle is the CAPTAIN and Chattergoon was recalled because they will play him. MORTON IS THE ONE WHO IS NOT TEST MATCH READY. He should be dropped. Benn will play. WICB is afraid they will get another poor turn out if he doesn't play. Sammy will have to sit out.
WI
· 1 year ago
Cricketer you are welcome to your opinion. I will have to agree with Jack Morton is the one thats out of touch and if Gayle and Chattergoon is in the training camp they should logically be match ready. By the way how can you assume thatt they are not ready being professionals they should be. My philosophy is play who is in form. And Barbadoes is always out of the rest of grounds the qucikest i know of. in the cariibbean.
ram
· 1 year ago
I agree with you on the match fee part
NY1
· 1 year ago
It is absurd to suggest that Gayle/C'goon should both not play.The others were just filling in-these guys are our nucleus and deserves to continue playing when fit/available. The selectors must convey to the players some degree of permanance and stability .Not if someone gets lucky then he automatically plays or CAPTAINS until we realize it was a one off shot .
Cricketer
· 1 year ago
NY1:
I believe you have difficulty reading my posts, especially when some universally recognized/accepted Latin phrases are included. Nowhere in my post you saw any suggestion that they "both not play". I contend that neither one is test match ready, for obvious reasons - THEY HAVE NOT PLAYED ANY TEST MATCHES IN WEEKS!!!!! Consequently, playing the two of them, both returning from injuries, is simply not recommended. For this reason I suggested playing one OR the other, with the preference going to Gayle, again for obvious reasons. Is this hard too understand??????????
I am not sure if any of the posters here, apart from Nt and probably a couple others, have ever seen Morton bat. If they did, I am sure they would have a different take on wanting to drop him.
Jack
· 1 year ago
Cricketer, "I contend that neither one is test match ready, for obvious reasons - THEY HAVE NOT PLAYED ANY TEST MATCHES IN WEEKS!!!!!
This logic is weak, what should we do when the entire team is not playing test matches for a 2 month period?
Nt
· 1 year ago
. Here you have our premier opening batsman and some ignorant person is saying he should play in the middle order for the first innings. Absolute ignorance. If he is fit, he should play where is is accustomed. If Chattergoon is fit, he should also play. My point about playing Morton wasn't that he has had a good series so far. He has played below his potential but I don't want Bravo batting at 6. That make our tail really long. This in my view is our best side.
The spinner would play but the bowlers are not doing badly. I would consider not playing Powell for the spinner.
NY1
· 1 year ago
Nt,think bro,Gayle shoud have batted lower sometime ago.When last you saw Gayle Open?He has lost some of that eye/hand coordination,and for a person to be a successful opener he must have E/H coordination and /or foot movement( we all know gayle is as flat-footed as they come)If he continues to open he will be a liability to the team,wheras if he bats when the ball isn't zipping or moving as much he will be a tremendous asset in our middle order that we sorely lack.
Cricketer
· 1 year ago
I don't agree with you at all NY1; Gayle has lost nothing. He remains our best opener in all facets of the game. If he was fit when he went to India for the IPL 20/20 do you believe he would have played in any other position other than the opening slot? The Indians don't mess around, and would not have contracted Gayle to be anything other than an opener. They saw him performed previously as an opener, and on that basis he was contracted to play in the IPL.
BTW, perhaps you have never played the game above a certain level, but I can assure you hand/eye coordination is not the domain of openers only, but every batsman worth his salt as well.
NY1
· 1 year ago
how many times have you seen gayle get in line with a delivery,and how many time have you seen him just throw the bat away from the body?
Cricketer
· 1 year ago
You are making little sense. Gayle is not a purist as a batsman, everybody else seems to recognize that. Where he lacks in ptoper foot movements, he more than adequately compensates for such with his height and reach. Even with these technical flaws he has a much higher average than the technically correct Ganga; so what's your point? How many technically sound batsmen have managed to score a triple century against top flight bowling??
Did you get to see former Aussie skipper Alan Border bat; the guy whose batting world record Lara surpassed. You would think he was a baseball player; bat held off the ground, little foot movement and striking the ball just like a baseball player. My point? If Gayle successfully bats the way he does, why does he need to change?? Why not ask coach Dyson to tell Gayle he is not an opener; has deteriorating hand/eye coordination and should push Chanderpaul down one step to accommodate Gayle batting lower in the order??
American
· 1 year ago
NYI Both Gayle and C/goon should play assuming they are fit. My team in batting order from the 15 man squad currently in Barbados
Gayle C/goon Sarwan Morton- One last chance for him. Chanderpaul Bravo Ramdin Powell Taylor Edwards Benn- I would much prefer Jaggernauth, but he is not in the squad 12th man Marshall.
After this series, decisions will need to be made about Morton, Smith, and Powell.
Nt
· 1 year ago
That tail is far too long.
Jack
· 1 year ago
American, LOL, nothing you post makes sense or is always incorrect. Where did you get 15 to chose from. I thought it is 14. Guess your sub-conscious mind included GANGA, HA HAHAHAHAHAHA.
Jack
· 1 year ago
Quote from Cricketer, "I contend that neither one is test match ready, for obvious reasons - THEY HAVE NOT PLAYED ANY TEST MATCHES IN WEEKS"!!!!!
This logic is weak, what should we do when the entire team is not playing test matches for a 2 month period?
Cricketer
· 1 year ago
Obviously, nothing is at stake then since nobody is playing any cricket. If on the other hand you are saying that hypothetically the team has been out due to injuries, and test matches are in full swing, then in the same sense that the selectors have brought in replacements for Gayle and Chattergoon, then I would imagine replacements for the team would have been identified and under the guidance of the coaches long before the test matches begin.
You fail to understand what I wrote for some reason, hence your inference. We are not talking about Gayle and Chattergoon being out for a few days, but several weeks. Working out and practicing in the nets help of course, but are hardly substitutes for the actual thing.
WI
· 1 year ago
Cricketer i don't want to argue on this i respect your opinion. But let me ask you a question If Gayle and Chattergoon are both fit and ready for the next test and our batting have let us down so far if it were'nt for Shiv would'nt you replace the out of forms with them both? Take in mind that in the series so far only Sarwan and Shiv have over 200 and 300 runs respectivly in series so far all the rest is below 100. Will appreciate your honest opinion.
Jack
· 1 year ago
If they are both fit they should play. Your logic is still weak. Whether a player is idle because of an injury or no Test matches are being played, all it should take is one game for that "professional" to get back into the high level cricket mindset. That is why some players are not selected to play both formats of the game.
Cricketer
· 1 year ago
Jack & WI:
Hope you don't mind my responding to you both at the same time since I believe you are on the same page. It is not that I am unaware of cricketers returning after injury and excelling, because such as occurred. Conversely, quite the opposite has happened as well, including the legendary Clive Lloyd, to the point where calls were made to drop him. This occurred in Australia in the late 1970's while I was doing postgraduate studies at Univ. of Q'land.
The last test against the Aussies is pivotal, notwithstanding the fact that the Sir Frank Worrell trophy has been retained by them. I want us to even the series, and I would not want to go into battle with both my opening batsmen just returning from injury; have not played any competitive cricket for a protracted period, and in the case of Gayle some uncertainty about his groin being fully healed to function over possibly 5 days. This is why I am adamant that both should not play, as the tone of the game is usually set by the openers and the No. 3 batsman. We have several other openers, albeit none of whom have performed consistently, who must step up to the plate.
Cricketer
· 1 year ago
I meant of course that both should not play at the same time. Play Gayle if he is fully recovered, if not use Chattergoon and Marshall to open.
WI
· 1 year ago
You might be right.
Jack
· 1 year ago
Cricketer, You know the decision to play a recovered player are made by the coaching staff and doctors. If they all say yes he is 100% fit then he should play. Especially if he is a better player than the alternates/reserves. In this case Gayle and Chattergoon should play. Gayle played with a broken thumb and top scored. These two players we are talking about are not selfish players and I honestly believe if they were not ready, they would say so.
Jack
· 1 year ago
I applaud your interest. Trust me we winning the third test with Gayle and Chatergoon.
WI
· 1 year ago
Thats right Jack. Go windies. Where is Mr. American these days drinking with you Ram?
Jack
· 1 year ago
American still fixating on Ganga. He even count him in his imaginary 15 man squad.
I saw Ram outside the Rehab clinic.
NY1
· 1 year ago
load of croc.Frontline players must play.
American
· 1 year ago
Jack, True about my wishing Ganga was in the squad, however you are so wrong about drinking with that drunkard. I keep alcoholics and other junkies very far away
NYi
· 1 year ago
Lots of "bush-rum" in Richmond Hill.wanted to legally change the name to "little Guyana".MOre rum-shops and bars than houses.One would never miss "home" if you live in RH.Good or bad thing <i don't know.
American
· 1 year ago
NY1 I have only been to NYC 3 times and only once in the Queens area. I was told that lots of Asian Guyanese lives there in a specific neighborhood where US census bureau shows a large population of Asians of Guyana decent
I understand they are hard working, industrious and generally very nice people who are good for this country, but a significant number their men folk like the "bottle" a lot-
Your friend Ram may be one of those. If you read his posts, which I do for amusement purposes, you can sense his state of intoxication.
I mean he is always drunk and same suggested he even spent time in a NYC prison for DOI- LOL
American
· 1 year ago
It seems the West Indian public in many of the islands including Barbados, Jamaica and Trinidad are turning on the selectors for their pig-headed selections during this Australian series. Many of those leading the charge are former professional cricketers from the likes of Sir Viv , Gibbs to Sir Gary to Bryan Davis and others.
The only surprise is why did it take so long- I think their days are numbered, this would be a shame b/c much of the great work by Greenidge and Roberts during their playing days are now tarnished by their sorry decisions.
I hope fans separate their performance and their memory as players to their role of selectors, a job they are obviously unqualified for.
It is also instructive for those who would like to see these former players assume managerial and leadership positions in the WICB- sadly, few are qualified, being a cricketer is vastly different from that of a manager, selector, coach and leader. A great cricketer does not make a great manager or administrator.
A few exceptions such as Murray whose academic qualifications and professional experience makes him a sure cricket leader, or even Sir Brian - who seems to have visionary ideas.
Lets hope the WICB provides a face saving way for Greenidge and Roberts to leave with some dignity, for whatever much they accumulated, too much have been diminished, albeit self-inflicted. Sad for they deserve so much more for their service to WI and world cricket as players.
Nt
· 1 year ago
Brian has to come in. You are medically obsessed. Get a good doctor.
Devon L Wilsonq
· 1 year ago
Why do you breath, The Lord is good, all the time God is Good. You are the worse pathetic hypocrite I have seen on a blog.
But I must give you credit, you are consistent with the dog defecation that you expectorate daily on this board.
We have seen your idiotic ethos over and over, the conclusion is; your neurological organs does not function like normal people. I would surely be remiss if I did not enunciate the obvious.
There is no way the true American of this blog wrote the above.
WI
· 1 year ago
American why can't you talk just cricket realistically as others. Do you have to always post your obsessiveness to mainly Lara & Ganga? By the way guys did Lara get the name sir behind him like Richards and Sobers as American said above?
American
· 1 year ago
WI/CA
Or whatever else you want to call yourself you are not a true WI fan, you care only for your home country of Guyana and you hate Lara b/c of the Hooper affair.
NY1
· 1 year ago
American,we call them INDO- Guyanese,and yes very hard working and honest But loves a drink.Come to think of it,Guyana is the only WI/Caribbean country that tells you what race of guyanese you are e.g Indo/Afro Guyanese unlike the other countries- Trinis,Bajans,Jamaicans etc.maybe i am reading too much into this.
NY1
· 1 year ago
Lara will definetely be SIR before too long and i agree with American that he S/B Chief selector.He had proven it so many times before that the GAME is Bigger than the INDIVIDUAL and benched their under-performing asses.We now have a better team than when he was Cappo,but the same blindfolded selectors/administrators.I would prefer KING Lara to Sir Lara-a better ring to it.
guesswho
· 1 year ago
NYI, Thats because there are people who are benefiting from separating the people of guyana because of their race. Guyana will never progress until there is unity. Anyway, lets get back to Cricket the only thing that brings us together. Cricket, Cricket, lovely Cricket.
American
· 1 year ago
NYI I don't want to get involve in inter island rivalry, although I am well aware of it.
I will remain an outsider who is neutral in his analysis. I will also say it is one of the cancer that is eating away at WI cricket. Notice how many in this blog are praying that an Australian or Indian cricketer will brake LARA'S RECORD.
guesswho
· 1 year ago
Jack, I agree. The writing style suits Cricketer. Then again I don't Cricketer would do that. He is way too smart for that.
American
· 1 year ago
Hi Jackass Devon, I don't know why you always trying to use big words and use them out of context. Also, you are saying god is good and the lord is good but in your next paragraph you are talking about dog shit. Who is the hypocrite? You are the one who sound like a crazy mofo. What happen your prozac ran out?
WI
· 1 year ago
NY1 no offence but i will diasgree in giving Lara selectors position. He was alledged to be a selfish player, He dropped Sarwan out of spite obviously when there was no other logical replacement, he kept pushing only T&T players especially during the worldcup, i remember him by passing the management team and selected Dillon when the team was already named. Not sure if those are the reason and helped contribute to the decline when he was there since we can now see that the team have improved tremendously. Forget about Lara Go windies take us back to the top we are seeing great improvements.
Jack
· 1 year ago
Wow! WI, That was great! I won't even add anything. Just keep his selfish ass out of WI cricket.
NY1
· 1 year ago
Granted Lara was selfish.To be great you have to be selfish and it is hogwash to even suggest that personal milestones does not come into play far more often than"for the betterment of the team"You fail once you are dropped .What Lara did was to give them a chance to reflect when they consistently played below their abilities,by giving them a game or two off. Too bad Lara was a perfectionist surrounded by sub-par performers.
T&T
· 1 year ago
you have to be an jackass NY1. are you a ba&*y bowy too? You want to marry Lara to....Rass man thought was American alone.
NY1
· 1 year ago
Showing off your LIMITED vocab.
American
· 1 year ago
So you changed your name from "Jack" the jackass to "Guess Who" to T&T now.
Cricketer
· 1 year ago
Sure personal milestones come into play when you are playing tennis or golf or some other sport that involves individual play and is not team oriented. However, as I have stated on many occasions it always will take a minimum of 2 players at the wicket (3, if a runner is required) to score runs. In other words, not even the great George Headley did anything BY HIMSELF. This is just one little piece of cricket fact that might have escaped your judgement in rushing to the indefensible defense of Lara.
Lara demonstrated his extreme selfishness on numerous occasions; observations confirmed by many of his opponents as well. Setting records is fine, but one must understand that they eventually will be broken, which is why I was one who advocated for the retirement of Courtney Walsh to allow the emergence and development of other younger fastbowlers such as Reon King. Of course King fell by the wayside, but one can't help but wonder if he would have feared better if given more opportunities earlier on. As we have seen, the once seemingly formidable bowling record of 519 wickets held by Walsh has been surpassed by Murilatheran and Warne. So too will Lara's records be surpassed in the future. What may have escaped Lara, is that winning test matches cannot be erased. With time, he will not be remembered for his records, but that he led the Windies poorly. If you don't believe me, here is a simple question - how many people remember that Sobers held the world record of 365 runs or that at one time Lance Gibbs had the record for the most wickets (302)???
NY1
· 1 year ago
307
American
· 1 year ago
Nice try "Jack", "Guess Who" Why do you see it fit to use so many names?
(THE REAL AMERICAN
WI Cricket Fan
· 1 year ago
You are all a bunch of dunce. You sit back and waste your time writing stupidness and allow the selectors to continue to drive West Indies cricket to the ground. Never bother about Tony Cozier - he has only benefitted from west Indies cricket - when has he ever given to the WI game - nothing. The simple fact is that all who are around West Indies at present are in it for their own personal gain - they do not have the interst of the WI game in their plans - they make their money and get out when the time is right OR they do like Tony Cozier - remain and suck the cow for as long as possible (until dey ded)
NY1
· 1 year ago
FYI WICB had no money until the WC and Cozier is the best commentator the WI ever produced.The coffers were empty-nothing to steal.
T&T
· 1 year ago
NY1 are you working with WICB to know this? Or are you a fortune teller like American if you're not actually American.
Let's see what happens in this test; I have guarded optimism where our opening pair are concerned. The inclusion of Benn is welcomed and so too is the retention of Morton.
Cricketer
· 1 year ago
My mistake, Marshall has been included for Morton. Not sure if I agree with this move.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
excellent work by the taylor and bravo, they have to get symonds though, he loves these situations. gayle did well to keep things steady on one end and attack. he should come back with bravo and taylor after lunch, and use edwards to rattle their feathers if he wants to switch ends
Nt
· 1 year ago
It is going to backfire. We can;t expect to play 5 batsmen, an allrounder and a keeper is is not producing.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
stop being so negative nt, it only the 1st session.
WI
· 1 year ago
We doing well so far guys. Hope our batting clicks.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
you know wi, nt is always on american's case because he/she supports ganga, and now nt is all grumpy because sammy and his boy morton is not playing,
put the team before self nt, u said u were a past player
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
where r u ram??
ram
· 1 year ago
Coverdrive, I am paying Sales Tax for the Quarter The umps. Did it a gain. I think Nt was correct for not including an extra bat
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
ram, i hope your accountant is saving u money
Nt
· 1 year ago
Powell is averaging 68 in this series and his career average is over 40 and close to 50. Why hasn't Powell been dropped ?
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
who r u fighting with most of us agree that powell should have been dropped
Nt
· 1 year ago
Coverdrive, it has nothing to do with persons I favour. I've critisized the said persons before and when they don't do well, I'm the first to say so. But I think Marshall is getting a chance that he doesn't deserve right now. Then, why would you get Roach when there are other more deserving bowlers out there. You see what will happen is that Powell and Benn will be pummelled right through and we will still be short of one batsman. That's just common sense Coverdrive. Let me say this. Morton and Sammy has both out performed Powell and Powell still has his place. This is quite questionable.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
how can u say they out performed powell, when they play different roles. morton has not performed period, sammy as i have said before is a good player but not test match material, and he and bravo play the same role. powell plays a different game and i dont think he is consistent enough, but the selectors have not given another a fast bowler in this series or s/l series a chance, so its either a swap for powell for a spinner or he plays at this point. we have persisted too long with morton at the test level, he does not have the patience for it, just like ramdhin, he is not a test batsmen, he is a very good keeper, thats it . so i think u have to look at the roles players make , u cannot compare a front line batsman like morton with a fast bowler - who is part of a combination that has been bowling very well, in these recent series.
i dont even know who roach is, but i will trust your judgement on him. but regardless of what makes up the team, we support west indies, we all have our favorites i wish perkins was on this team, but he is not, i wish mohd was on the oneday team as an allrounder but he is not, i wish those 2 brothers i was asking u about would get a chance to play at a higher level, but they are not but i am not going to be a sour puss about it, because the team comes first, players dont pick themselves, they get selected.
everyone will say what they want about the extra batsman not being picked but 7 wkts are down , and we r doing well. sars, sarwan gayle - is as good as we will get - they have to play their role when we bat
ram
· 1 year ago
Rain again - This is very frustrating since I have been enjoying a good days’ cricket, we have outplayed, challenged and pushed Australia to their edge. I love Edwards’s fire, it’s a good rivalry with Lee; this is good for the game. We need more of this stuff, cricketers need to stop walk on eggs and pussy-footing around ancient rules. All games have trash talk as long as one knows where to draw the line.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
agreed
WI
· 1 year ago
Thats right Coverdrive, Ram. Give the Aussies a taste of their own medicine. Nt i feel Sammy deserve to play between Marshall and Morton i don't see much diffrence. Except that marshall shine and Morton failed badly in the last game. Ram like you boy drunk you boy American he/she have been quiet recently unless he was hoping that the team would have done badly without Lara/Ganga
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
this is all part of the game now, basket ball & football, once it does not get offensive. as nt said sammy needs to get stronger and he will bowl faster, he can be accurate, so he is very usefull.
i saw a few overs of him last game and he looked ordinary. bravo has been bowling a little faster now, so its also helping him with his deception.
sammy, the 2 smiths, marshall, ramdin, baugh - these are all very young men, who can get better, once they are not forgotten if dropped, it looks well long term for us its the fast bowling dept i am worried about edwards is injury prone. and taylor may become worn out after a while.
ram
· 1 year ago
Coverdrive, I will be more pissed off Friday, because I have to sign the payroll checks.
Nt
· 1 year ago
Coverdrive, getting 7 wickets doesn't vindicate playing that many bowlers. We will see when we bat.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
chilax and enjoy the game , nt
American
· 1 year ago
With the exception of Marshall, the selectors picked the team I wanted-- I had called for a last chance for Morton in his place. I feel that Marshall has done nothing to gain a place in the team and it would not have hurt to carry on with Morton as a last chance.
Good also to see Benn in the team.
The bowlers did a very good job today but the umpires continues to bat for Australia and Symonds must be the luckiest batter in the planet. THe way Bravo bowled it was as if he was the main bowler.
The Aussies cannot be considered the best anymore as this team looks rather ordinary, not to take anything away the performance of the bowlers,
Gayle's captaincy with respect to using his spinner Benn is baffling- it gives credence to the often stated criticism that West Indian captains since the days of Richardson dosen't know how to use spinners.
If WI can restrict Australia to under 250, they stand a good chance of winning his match as the 2nd and 3rd days are best for batting on this track.
The batting is thin, only b/c Marshall is included and Gayle and C/goon is playing their first game since returning from injury. I suspect Bravo and Ramdin will come very good with the bat.
ram
· 1 year ago
American, I much as I hate you, no.... no…no (I hate no one) I mean dislike. Is “Jack” and “Guesswho” and you are the same person. I done my rearch and I think not, you need to tell that person who the real American is…. De real American like Ganga
Nt
· 1 year ago
Marshall looks very good. I hope he can stay in there. Let me repeat my concern. The tail is too long. We had powell going wicketless and bowling really terribly on a helpful pitch. I hope these two can stay in there
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
thats more like it nt, be positive, powell, may be on his last game for while, but we bowled them out. and now we have to bat all day
ram
· 1 year ago
Coverdrive, you need to admit when you are wrong. Be a man abd say we need that extra bat.
Cricketer
· 1 year ago
We have to bat sensibly from this point onwards so that we can get a lead of at least 100+. There is no need to hurry the score along; this is only the second day. Occupy the crease until at least tea tomorrow and we will win this match.
ram
· 1 year ago
I like your optimism; our last two recognized bats men are batting.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
i dont disagreewith nt on the extra bat, i am just saying support regardless, what can u do the team is picked
Nt
· 1 year ago
If Ramdin fails to score in these innings, it will definitely time for Baugh. Carew said this today. Bravo should not be batting at 6 and it is the same thing I"ve been saying for a while. Let's hope Ramdin can do something today.
Nt
· 1 year ago
What a great man this is. He has been consistent right through his career. He is humble and committed. There has not been a greater servant for years.
ram
· 1 year ago
Which great man?, Ramdin failed again, the guy been failing since the Sri Lanka series and some how still find his way into WI team!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nt
· 1 year ago
Ram i know you know I"m talking about Chanders. I"ve been one of Ramdin's earliest critics. We need a keeper who will do the job Ridley Jacob's did so well for 6 years. My next team would not have Powell nor Ramdin
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
careful with that word "servant" nt. lol
for the life of me i cannot understand why chanders exposes the tail so early in the overs he is good enough to get 2s or a 4 in every over, there is no rush, or a run rate issue here. same thing last game batting wit ramdhin.
Cricketer
· 1 year ago
I agree with your observations Coverdrive; Chanderpaul's confidence in the tailenders is unfounded. If I did not know better I would think he is trying to preserve his n.o. reputation. He has to develop more thinking in his game. Of course the counter argument is that we would not be in this situation had the other frontline batsmen batted as resolutely as Chanderpaul.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
this is the number 1 problem that most of my guyanes buddies have with their countryman. his rotation with the tail
i still think he should bat earlier though.
ram
· 1 year ago
coverdrive, I think Victor already schooled you on that word "servant"
ram
· 1 year ago
This is the reason we need the extra bat coverdrive. And by the way its not Chander job to protect the tail, is what the WI team provide the man. Anyway tomorrow morning is a 5 mile race.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
dont agree with u ram, i bat number 4 and 5, and if i am with the tail, and its good bowling, i always rotate so the innings can go longer and my tail can spend more time out there., they are not specialist batsmen, why would i want them exposed , when i can take the strike and score a few per over.
u did not play much ram, u said so
ram
· 1 year ago
Coverdrive but Chander stuck with the tail the last three years
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
i am not talking about this game only ram, generally its something he deos not do much off - why did ramdhin take so much strike last game if we were trying to draw the game.
we ould not make runs to win, and australia were giving him the single so they could go at ramdhin
NY1
· 1 year ago
Like i said before Tail too long.Every athlete is selfish to varying degrees-Look at Chanders Today,wants to preserve the average.Awhile back i wrote that he was the reason we lost a lot of one day games because of his low strike rate,he has now brought that thinking into tests.Lara would rotate that same tail and score in excess of a hundred.NOW WHO IS SELFISH AND WHO IS NOT.
American
· 1 year ago
Lets not blame Chanders for the demise of the team's batting today. Yes, it is frustrating that he seems incapable to bat with the tail to the extent that great batters have done and best examplified by Sir Brian Lara.
As much as I have been admiring and enjoyig his recent great run of form, I am equally perplexed by his unseeming attitude to protect the tail- the last 3 batters.
Lets also puts things in prspective, had it not been for Chanders, and asisted by Bravo and Marshall, were the only batters who stood up today- the scorboard would have been a lot worse- so yes, while we can be frustrated by Chanders inability to post 50 to 75 runs with the tail, lets us equally admire and appreciate this man's lone battle with the Aussies.
Gayle's strategy was Gayles strategy, pull a few to the boundary and in quick time then get out- when will he become more consistent. Chattergoon lack of batting intelligency showed in the manner of his dismissal.
Sarwan yet again seems unable to string 3 good scores in succession, after an excellent innings in the last match, he regressed to his customary ways.
Ramdin is becoming a worry- his place must now be in danger, but luckily for him, no other keeper in the region can match his glov work and no other keeper, perhaps, save Gibran Mohammed, can bat, including Baugh, who many in Jamaica want to see in the team.
I'll like to see the selectors take a look at Gibran Mohammed as an alternative to Ramdin. Selecting Baugh will be a big mistake for the team as there are already a large contingent of Jamicans in he team. Too many of one kind may pose problems for other players.
This match can now easily slip away as batting in day 3 will be the easiest and with the Aussie having all their soldiers intact, a big score looms-
Batting in day 4 and 5 is not going to be easy.
Nt
· 1 year ago
American, what the hell are you talking about. I was hoping an ounce of sense would be found somewhere but you were true to form. YOu had to inject Lara again. Chanders is walking in much bigger feet than Lara ever could walk in and it has little to do with stats. Chanders is just a different class of a person.
For all the non-cricketers, protecting the tail is not that easy especially with a tail as long as ours. American is absolutely crazy in suggesting that an extra jamaican in Baugh would be detrimental. You shouldn't be allowed to spread this hate. You are a disgrace even to Pres. Bush.
Anyone who has followed Chanders know that it had little to do with average. It is just simply too hard to protect a tail that starts at the keeper.
I spoke about the selections a while back. Almost all of you advocated for this line up and I said very early that Bravo should not play at 6, hence making room for another batsman.
I still prefer this team Post-Lara. The fact that we are actually challenging is more than many others can say.
Go windies (Just drop Powell and Ramdin)
ram
· 1 year ago
Nt, I was advocating we need the extra bat all along. Recently when I said it’s not Chander job to protect the long tail, I was criticized by Coverdrive, I understand protecting the tail for a game or two but he is stuck with the tail for the last three and the man still makes his runs. Ramdin has to go- NOW, he’s on borrowed time. ps. I think American is better than President Bush - one cannot get any lower. lol American stop the hate, this is a cricket forum, left the hate in your basement apartment. I don’t care a daam if we have 11 Jamaicans on the team as long as they produce.
Nt
· 1 year ago
Exactly. If the best team has majority Jamaicans, Antiguans or Kittians. It doesn't matter.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
ram u still dont get int I AM SAYING BECAUSE CHANDERS HAS A TAIL THAT CANT BAT HE HAS TO PROTECT THEM, if he has a different team its another story, BUT THAT ISTHE TEAM HE HAS TO WORK WITH,
American
· 1 year ago
Just as I predicted i my last piece, batting on this 3rd day is going to be the easiest, as the score confirms it, WI are now in deep trouble facing the prospects of close to 400 runs in the late 4th day and 5th days.
Lets hope the bowlers can pull things back quickly.
West Indian
· 1 year ago
Shut yuh rass and stop plagiarise what you have read in the newspapers. Do you see anyone else coming in here repeating the work of others?? You don't know shit about cricket so shut the fcuk up and go play baseball in the park.
ram
· 1 year ago
Take is easy West Indian; just ignore him/her/it. We all know that thing is just a fluke….. Anyway happy father’s day to all of my bloggers..Peace....
Nt
· 1 year ago
I'm really dissapointed with that shot by Gayle. That was really reckless. If gayle is going to be a responsible captain, he will have to be more disciplined.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
happy fathers day guys.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
not a badto se batting perormance today, positive, would have preferred to see sars still there but a gettible score for the last day if they both stay long
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
come on guys time to wake up, its cricket this morning!!! wake up ram!!
ram
· 1 year ago
I done meh 2 mile run and waiting for the game to start...big day today....go windies
WI
· 1 year ago
going good guys. We are going to upset the Aussies....
American
· 1 year ago
Not quite, and it was not spine tingling either. As I said the batters wee not ready and the wricket was good for batting. gayle's captaincy sucks, Ganga needs to come back for the Odi series. Powell must go and ramdin too.
Nt
· 1 year ago
American, I was having a bad day and you never fail to give me a good laugh.
lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol
American
· 1 year ago
Nt That was West Indies/CA- he loves to pose as me
surendra
· 1 year ago
Making a complete jackass of yourself as usual; posting then replying to yourself. Fool, you fool no one except your dumb ass self.
NY2
· 1 year ago
Team for ODI's
1. Ganga - capt. 2. Bharat 3. Simmons 4. Bravo 5. Pollard 6. Ramdin 7. D. Mohammed 8. Jaggernauth 9. Rampaul 10. Taylor 11. Edwards
This is an unbeatable team that will beat the Aussies.
Nt
· 1 year ago
Why don't you call this the Trinidad first class team. You may be competing with American on stupidity.
Daddy
· 1 year ago
NY1,NY2 and American is de same idiot. What a JACKASS. The Jackass made a mistake and include Taylor and Edwards on his team. Ganga is a complete failure just like Ramdin. Fool stay away from here, you hear meh.....
T&T
· 1 year ago
American sound like a teenage school girl who fall in love with first Lara and now Ganga or both.
surendra
· 1 year ago
Daddy my ass, where the hell did you spring from all of a sudden to know who is who?? Show us at least one previous "Daddy" post, and then we will know that you are not posting as someone else. But you can't, so either you are a freaking dutty pot or a stinking kettle, you damn idiot!
ram
· 1 year ago
One-day squad Chris Gayle (capt) Sulieman Benn Dwayne Bravo Patrick Browne Shivnarine Chanderpaul Fidel Edwards Andre Fletcher Xavier Marshall Keiron Pollard Daren Powell Denesh Ramdin (wk) Darren Sammy Ramnaresh Sarwan Jerome Taylor.
ram
· 1 year ago
Coverdrive, Three Wk. keepers
NY1
· 1 year ago
ODI in batting order 1.C'paul 2.Xavier 3.Sarwan 4.Gayle 5.Browne 6.Bravo 7.Pollard 8.Sammy 9.Taylor 10.Benn 11.Edwards
NY1
· 1 year ago
Perkins for Benn and bat @ #5
surendra
· 1 year ago
Dream on.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
ram, taking a vacation from this ram, too much stress, looking at golf
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
R WE PLAYING ONLY 1 20/20?
WI
· 1 year ago
yea only one 20-20
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
why so many more than 1 keeper then for a 20/20, thats easy to decide before i thought baugh with his strike rate would have been the automatic choice no either they choose a good bat, perkins, who is not a great keeper, or a great keeper who is not batting well
sometimes i dont know.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
and kieron who has had a terrible season made the team, when hinds would have been the better allrounder or dave mohd with their slower bowling
WI
· 1 year ago
have no clue what's going on in the selectors mind. Three keepers not including Baugh. Maybe they listen to American that too much Jamaicans on the team already. I think D. moha..... should have been on the team too for his form in the Satanford 20-20
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
i really donr like the make up of the 20/20 team, if i would have to pick a an 11 i would go with, in batting order
1perkins 2bravo 3chanders - someone needs to bat until the end, especially in run chase 4marshall 5sarwan (Capt) - not impressed with him as 20/20 player/there to skipper, - morton is better here and mybe bravo skipper 20/20 team 6.baugh 7d mohammed 8taylor 9sammy 10benn - 11edwards
American
· 1 year ago
Not much at stake with the 20/20 match but I would have expected the selectors to reward the Stanford players who performed well in that tournament, particularly since the more established ODI and test players were limp in the 20/20 format.
Players like Mohammed, Kelley and Buagh comes to mind. I also think Ganga is the best 20/20 captain and I would much prefer him to Sarwan captaining the team. One also recalls how out of place Gayle looked during the Stanford Finals.
Anyway, 20/20 is the future and 5 years from now I look forward to an All American team (not an "American" team featuring WI and Asian immigrants) beating the world.
Gayle and Sarwan out because of groin injuries. Them a rub crotches now?
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
this team is way too inexperienced to contest against lee, watson, marsh, hussey.
we may get better fielding and fair enoughbowling, but where is the experience in the batting, marshall? too ealry to tell
well maybe the selectors want to have a look at the young men, it will be interesting though,
i do feel that ramdhin does not deserve a place ahead of baugh for 20/20 games though.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
by the way ram my comments on sarwan is strictly based on 20/20 not 50 overs or test.
god idea to rest chanders also, easy game to pick up injuries.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
what about lennox cush, dowlin, these r good 20/20 guys
ram
· 1 year ago
Coverdrive there are nuff guys that can play but only 11 players is allowed to represent a team....lol Trini plenty in this team, where is Ganga?. I will be visiting him soon
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
this was such a refreshing change to see these young men play. this i could live with.,
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
ram u need to get away from this trini, guyanses thing, i though we passed that stage.
ram
· 1 year ago
i never mention Guyanese......u cant read or wa. I support de West Indies team......man u is a stupid man....... anyway i going to visit Ganga next friday
American
· 1 year ago
CREDIT TO THE SELECTORS FOR MARSHALL'S SELECTION
Very often the selectors come in for serious flack from many in the islands- those who are insular, those who want their favorite players in the team and yes, many journalists who at times feel their knowledge of the game is superior than the selectors.
TO be certain, the recent criticism of the selectors were in fact warranted- none more so than the dropping of Jaggernauth and the inclusion of Smith after a long string of failures, just to mention a couple.
When Marshall was selected, many wanted to know on what ground he was selected, after-all, Marshall couldn't make his own national team and he has no worthy first class performance to look back on and on his previous stint he was rather mediocre and apparently went into oblivion for a couple years.
Thus far, young Marshall has been a revelation, his style is reminiscent of the great Caribbean batters of past, Greenidge included. Not only does he seem motivated and fearless, but this young man has an appetite for big things.
So lets praise the selectors, for many, including this neutral fan of WI cricket, are never too quick to call them out when the team selection is wrong.
Kudos to Greenidge and company, bold selections like this gives one pause and it serves as a stark reminder that these selectors know their game, after all, they themselves were former greats.
Lets hope Marshall continues to shine and most importantly, lets keep our fingers cross that he is handle the right way by his coaches and lets also hope the fans don't put too much pressure on this young man, for there is bound to be a patch of struggle as he build on his promising career.
Devon L Wilson
· 1 year ago
You are of a truth the worse azzhole I have seen that writes on this board. Whatever you are and whomever you are! Fellow, you need a brain a mind and a conscience.
Those Morons on the Caribbean cricket Post.. Are a group of jack shty hypocrites. When the X-Man was called up, the same shyt heads were asking why was he called up.
Now that he left and impressive mark on the Ausie bowling, those same shyt heads are saying he is the best opener. You damn West Indians are so predictable.
When I stated on the Board that he was the man for the Job so many tries to bore another butt hole on my posterior, saying I am a personified fool.
Now the same shyt heads are singing X-Man Praises. Why don't you idiots just stand for something, stand with the selectors, stand with the board, stand with the team and press on.
To hell with insularity, anyone that is selected support his selection, and when he fails to take hold of the bulls horn cuss his azz out.
Thats my stand do good I praise you, throw your wicket away I will cuss your azz.
You have something to bitch about now but I bet you he will not last. Remember Dwayne Smith? The same shit was said about him. Wait and then boast you insular rass. I noticed you are not using your not needed words.
Devon L Wilson
· 1 year ago
WHO GIVES A SHYT WHO YOU ARE.. YOU BEING A YARDIE OR A DOG SHYT I REALLY DON'T CARE.
ALL I CARE ABOUT IS THESE LAZY AZZ NICCAS CALL OUR CRIKETERS DO GOOD. THEY BEEN SLAVING WAY TOO LONG, AND GIVING POOR PERFORMANCES .
NOW IF YOU DON'T MIND I GOT WORK TO DO YOU DUMB FACK.
Ba$&y bowi American get real West Indies team would never be made up of all Trins. And there is nowhere in the history of cricket that a player was choosen just to be a captain Ganga was given a fair run so has Smith its a waste of time to bring them back. So has Lara retired gone. Accept the fact this team has done 100% better post Lara and we are improving. Well its understood if you can't accept that because you don't know shit about West Indies cricket neither its history
Surendra
· 1 year ago
Hey Folks, take it easy..... No need for all those negative arguements...... We cannot change the team being selected, so let us suppot them
TO
· 1 year ago
Ganga for captain Lara to open. We need these two.
ram
· 1 year ago
People this is a Cricket forum where one post their opinion - so stick to it. CRICKET - CRICKET Let just ignore the JACKASSES and IDIOTS.
TO
· 1 year ago
Typical schoolboy attitude and captaincy. Bullying his way in opening bowling and batting. After taking away captaincy from his best friend Sarwan as he claimed to be.
TO
· 1 year ago
Are you metally deranged like your friend American?
ram
· 1 year ago
coverdrive, nt, surendra, cw , Victor, cricketer, CA, WI, even my frenemy American (the person that give me jokes) -----where ru guys!!.....we lost so what, We de West Indian should and always be jolly-nice-happy, its just this game we have 4 more.
American
· 1 year ago
Ram, Finally I can agree with something you say- LOL-LOL-LOL
Cricketer
· 1 year ago
ram:
It's how we lost that really matters. How is it that we can move from dominating, albeit a very abbreviated game, to batting and bowling as pathetic as we did today. This is what I meant by having a "chameleon attitude", which is very worrisome. This team just doesn't know how to play consistently high standard cricket.
ram
· 1 year ago
Cricketer, I am not going to call names, people was saying not to play Chander; I guarantee you if Chander played today MAYBE we will lost but we will not get bowled out within 50 overs.
ram
· 1 year ago
I just saw Coverdrive on the LIE (Long Island Expressway) crying........because de Windies lost
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
lol. ram, followed the game but did not get time to post
TO
· 1 year ago
Gayle must go can't captain. Too laid back and bullying.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
the guy is injured and not 100% thats the bottom line. he should be allowed enough time to rest, and 50 over fast game is not whats good for him right now.
WI
· 1 year ago
Thats right Ram for games to go and as Gayle said we will bounce back. On the topic on Shiv you are right if he was there we stood a better chance of winning and at least would not have been bowled out below 50 overs.
Cricketer
· 1 year ago
WI:
We either win the ODI or lose it, so batting out 50 overs without winning the game amounts to the same thing as being bowled out within 38+ overs and losing.
WI
· 1 year ago
Look cricketer if American can sterotype about Lara/Ganga. Why can't I about a player of my choice. By the way can't you interpret English Language I said we stooda chance of winning or batting out the overs. I never said what you are trying to imply what i said
Cricketer
· 1 year ago
WI:
You must be female, because you don't even understand what you wrote. There was no "or" in your post but rather "and". Perhaps YOU have difficulty expressing yourself correctly using the English Language.
WI
· 1 year ago
What's your problem. You sound just like American if you're not him/her. By the way you sound like you na even sure if you male or female yuh self.I was refeering to Ram's comment by the way and was just endorseing what he said. Anyway speak when you are spoken to or asked for your comment don't jump to conclusion.
West Indian
· 1 year ago
Where did you spring from? What was your previous handle? Or are you a Johnny/Ginny -come-lately??
blade
· 1 year ago
I don't understand why Gayle is playing when he is not fit....if you going to rest Chanders but play Gayle in his current condition then what's the sense in that??? I would like to see this team for the 2nd game...Marshall, Perkins, Sarwan, Chanderpaul, Bravo, Fletcher, Ramdin, Taylor, Benn, Edwards, Roach
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
good team blade but perkins is not in the 50 over squad, and sammy had a good game. so roach may not play unless edwards is rested.
Cricketer
· 1 year ago
Granted it's 50 overs, but with the consistently inconsistent performance of the Windies, your suggested line-up is risky where the batting is concerned.
GMAN
· 1 year ago
FOR THOSE HIGH MINDED CRICKET OPINION MAKERS THAT BLOG HERE, ABOUT WHO SHOULD BE SELECTED VS. WHO SHOULD'NT. PLEASE TAKE NOTE OF THE FOLLOWING; AMONG THE ESTABLISH FRONT LINE BATSMEN HERE ARE THE ODI, BATTING AVERAGES. AT THE TOP IS CHANDERPAUL (48 AVERAGE), SARWAN (43.6 AVERGE), GAYLE (38.81 AVERAGE),( MORTON 33.25 AVERAGE ), SAMUEL (30.27 AVERAGE) AND BRAVO (24 AVERAGE). NOW LET US BE FAIR DO ANYONE OF YOU THINK FOR A MINUTE THAT IF MORTON WAS FROM BARBADOS , TRINIDAD JAMAICA OR GUYANA HE WOULD OF BEEN DROP FROM THE FULL WEST INDIES SQUAD WITH AN ODI AVERAGE BETTER THAN SAMUEL, BRAVO ETC. MY FRIENDS THAT WOULD NEVER OF TAKEN PLACE.ESPECIALLY TO REPLACE HIM WITH THE LIKES OF POLLARD, PERKINS, FLETCHER ETC. BEING SELCTED IN THE SQUAD AHEAD OF HIM, NO WAY. WHAT EVEN BOTHERS ME MOST IS THAT ALL OF YOU BLOGGERS NEVER TOOK NOTICE OF THE NUMBERS ie. THE FACTS,THIS A CLEAR CASE OF BIAS IF I EVER SAW ONE. CHECK YOURSELVES PEOPLE THIS IS NOT A GOOD THING WE MUST BE GOOD PEOPLE. OH, BY THE WAY HE BRINGS A FACET TO THE TEAM IT'S CALL, ENTHUSIASM , ENERGY AND FIGHT.
West Indian
· 1 year ago
Hey Johnny-come-lately; or disguised as some other one time poster; averages are fine but they don't tell the complete story. Morton has been given enough chances and simply does not cut it. Same goes for Ganga and Smith. Also stop the insularity shit! This is a West Indies team, not an island by island team, so if your island boy doesn't make it tough shit. Go form your own island team if you think it's unfair!!
GMAN
· 1 year ago
MY SILLY FRIEND SMITH (23.27 AVERAGE), AND GANGA'S IS (25.54) NONE ARE OVER 30 WHICH IS ABYSMAL. THE ONLY CURRIET PLAYERS WHO ARE OVER 30 AVERAGE ARE, SARWAN , CHANDERPAUL, GAYLE AND MORTON SPEAK TO THE FACTS GUY. IN ORDER TO HAVE SUCH AN AVERAGE YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL ENOUGH TO BE AMONG THE TOP (3) BATSMEN IN THE ENTIRE WEST INDIES TEAM ALL OF WHOM HAVE BEEN MENTION ABOVE.
ram
· 1 year ago
Gman, does have a point there. ....respect
WI
· 1 year ago
Agree with you GMAN Morton was't given a fair run compartivly speaking as well as your stats indicate. He should have at least played infront of Pollard.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
so what do we do now guys all our senior batsmen are injured, our other seniors morton, smith,samules are out. cant the team be changed now to add some new players are who fit and ready to go:
or is it that the cupboard is so empty that right now i cannot think about suitable replacements.
hyaat, cush, simmonds, ryan hinds, morton, ram...
where is cw ? and no morton no nt??
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
morton is always a better oneday option.
ram
· 1 year ago
coverdrive, i am not 100%, but i taught this cush guy play for the US (no good team),
ram
· 1 year ago
coverdrive i heard last week u went playing cricket with timberland boots
ram
· 1 year ago
Cdrive, CW is on de left handside....surendra (de real surendra) come and go...
ram
· 1 year ago
Anyone see American, i want to pick a fight........ American I going to Tobago tomorrow and will be visiting your boy Ganga, I will tell him to quit international cricket and stick locally.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
ganga is originally from a place called barackpore ram, in south trinidad, close to where i lived. i dont know if he is still there, but american may know his files.
enjoy ram, be careful.
American
· 1 year ago
LOL
Sorry can't help you there.. visited Trinidad only once last year during my CARIBBEAN vacation.
A word of caution to Ram, hide your anti Lara sentiments as they are most proud of him and rightly so- You don't want to get your goat curried now
ram
· 1 year ago
American, I never and will never have anything negative against Lara, he is a legend in WI cricket and cricket as a whole. How come you stop pushing for your boy Ganga.
ram
· 1 year ago
Play nice now guys, Australia will long be gone by-time I am back. go windies
CA
· 1 year ago
American, you have your nose so far up not only Ganga but Lara a@% and you don't have info. to help American?
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
gyale should not be bowling is 2 slowest and most inexperienced bowlers at the same time. taking pressure off the batsmen at a crucial time. they have to bowl 10, but at lease keep pressure on one end, thats been working
Cricketer
· 1 year ago
Coverdrive:
Agree with you 100%; I have no idea what the hell is going through Gayle's mind. Sammy bowled 5 overs for 18 runs and was not brought back. Benn should not even be on the ODI team let alone bowling 10 overs. I have said it many times and I will say it again, the Windies just do not have a killer instinct and has lost the appetite for winning. Maybe their benchmark for success is just way too low.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
agreed, sammy should have bowled more, no reason for them ti get more than 175
faster bowlers were doing a good job already. ben was ok, bit no good for the late stages of the game.
Cricketer
· 1 year ago
What is the thinking of the Windies after all the tough talk about wanting to even the series. I hope they don't believe that surviving the 50 overs and not overtaking the Aussie total makes them successful?
WI
· 1 year ago
What the hell are these guys thinking throwing their wickets away have'nt they learn from Cleark and Hussey how they batted according to the nature of the pitch? And i do agree with you there covedrive he should have gone for the kill with the quicker bowlers especially how Bravo started.
blade
· 1 year ago
I didn't even have to pray for rain to put an end to this pathetic performance...Gayle with his bat up and catch, why is this stiff Pollard still in the squad? Browne seemed intent on giving catching practice to the slips,,,,,this team is back playing the usual piss poor cricket....
GMAN
· 1 year ago
GUYS THIS IS PATHETIC, THEIR IS NO SENSE OF PURPOSE IN THIS TEAM, NO COMMITMENT, NO DRIVE FOR EXECELLENCE. FROM THE CAPTAIN DOWN, THEIR IS A BASIC LACK OF LEADERSHIP. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE SELECTORS HAVE TO BEGIN TO LOOK DEEP AND COMMIT THEMSELVES TO A PLAN. THAT CENTERS ON MERIT NOT HIPE; NOT ON WHO HAS THE LOUDEST VOICE. ALWAYS BASE YOUR SELECTION ON "CARIB CUP" AND "RED STRIPE" PEPROFORMANCE. YES, SOMETIMES THEIR ARE RARE CASES IN WHICH A PERSON IS GIVEN SELECTION BECAUSE THAT PERSON JUST CAME OFF A TOUR IN WHICH HE DID WELL AND FAIL TO HAVE A GOOD REGIONAL PROFORMANCE SO YOU GIVE HIM A CHANCE. BUT THIS KIND OF SELECTION OF PLAYERS LIKE POLLARD, MARSHALL, BROWN AND TO A LESSER EXTENT FLETCHER, IS MIND BENDING. THEIR IS NO RATIONAL, THE FACT IS THEY HAVE ALL BEEN FAILURES IN THE 2008 REGIONAL SERIES. SO WHY ARE THEY BEEN REWARDED WITH SELECTION ? MARHALL WILL NEVER BE SUCCESSFUL IN INTERNATIONAL CRICKET UNTIL HE CORRECT HIS FLAW BEHIND HIS BACK , HE HAS NOT DONE THE CORRECTION IN REGIONAL CRICKET AND THEREFORE HE WILL BE EASILY EXPLOITED AT THE HIGHER LEVEL
Caribbean
· 1 year ago
Do us a favour and quit using caps, which btw is equivalent to shouting.
All of you Monday morning quaterbacks are always brilliant after the fact. Why not make your points known long before the start of the game. None of you know what the selectors options are, so don't come in here thinking that you do. When young Marshall took the Aussies apart in the shortened 20/20 you same criticizers were singing his praise. So quit the fcuking hypocrisy and do like coverdrive and a few others who are real supporters of Windies cricket.
American
· 1 year ago
Well said.
American
· 1 year ago
CAPS, is not the equivalent of shouting.... many believe this, however other use it to highlight importance and yet others use it because they don't know better.
GMAN
· 1 year ago
CAPS OR NO CAPS ARE NOT WHAT'S IMPORTANT. FACTS ARE, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY ARE IRREFUTABLE DEAL WITH THE SUBSTANCE OF THE MATTER AT HAND , DON'T TRY TOCREATE A SIDE SHOW IT DOES NOT AFFECT THE LARGER QUESTION . WHICH THE SELECTION PROCESS.
GMAN
· 1 year ago
MY FRIEND OBVIOUSLY U HAVE NOT BEEN FOLLWING MARSHALL VERY CLOSELY HE HAS PLAYED 11 ODI'S WITH AN AVERAGE OF (9.45). HE HAS NEVER MADE A REGIONAL 100. NOW IF YOU HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT MARSHALL 75% OF OF HIS DISMISSALS HAVE BEEN BEHIND HIS BACK , WHY? HE IS A FRONT FOOT PLAYER AND AS AN OPEN BAT YOU GENERALLY NEED TO PLAY LATE , HE IS ALWAYS LOOKING FOR THE DRIVE WHICH HE LOOK GOOD DOING WHEN HE GETS IT BUT WHEN U PLAY AGAINST BIG TEAMS THE LOOK AT TAPES THEY WILL WORK U UP EASILY AND EXPOSE HIM . HE MADE 80 + IN BARBADOS TEST AND IN THAT INNINS HE WAS DROPPED 3 TIMES BEHIND HIS BACK BEFORE HE GOT TO 30. BASIC FLAWS U CAN'T COVER.
American
· 1 year ago
True, but I want to give him more chances- what is the coach doing to rectify his weakness as you correctly pointed out-
Before taking Marshall to task, lets first look at the captain-his manner of recent batting is an appalling- as the captain he is not leading fro the front with the willow.
What about Pollard- now the selectors got it all wrong to select in the team.
Next go on to the captaincy of Gayle- his bowling changes was elementary-
The WI are not playing like a home team, in fact they are playing like a battered, weakened and depleted touring team coming off a long and difficult tour.
GMAN
· 1 year ago
your assesment is absolutely correct , but their is one main fact that exist. we cannot continue to reward medioricty and expect excellence. It is always true that, what you put in is what u ultimately get out; or garbage in garbage out, that's what's happening with the west indies team . During the good times when the west indies was dominant i dear say that every player was deserving of his selection they all perform at the regional level with the exception of Richards and Greenidge, both of whom made the team based on their performance in England county cricket. every player merited his spot.
American
· 1 year ago
Lets look at the situation: The WI of the 80's had reserves that could have filed a B and C teams and still defeat other countries. SO their bench strength was exceptional.
Today, with the exception of SHIV, NONE OF THE CURRENT lot would have been able to make the C team.
You can't blame the players, except to the extent that they can do better with with their self development. The lack of reserves is a big problem that has its origins in many complex factors, one of which is lack of cricket leadership.
I have written extensively on this prior to you joining this blog, so I won't repeat my assertions, which by the way, many here cannot comprehend.
In the final analysis, one should not compare the team of the 80's to the current lot, it is not fair to the current players to do so.
Instead, one should have hope but also and importantly, offer critical assessment.
I don't see WI getting to the top 3 in the next 10 years for test cricket or ODI. 20/20 IN THE OTHER hand, all the teams are pretty much in equal footing.
NY1
· 1 year ago
I say Gayle should sit until he is 100%.Play Ganga and Devon as openers,bat Xavier @ 4 /5.I know Ganga's average is 25/26 in ODI,but he was a consistent 25/26-no 3/4 big hundereds to boost average,right now we long for an opener who can consistently give 25/26 ever so often.Fletcher has the temperament of a future star and should stay in the team,i think as the selectors confidence in him grows so will his at the crease.
NY1
· 1 year ago
I disagree.Before the end of 2008 we will be vying for the # 1 spot.We have the talent,the coach,manager ,the belief,the skill-we are missing only the discipline and the hunger.
American
· 1 year ago
Nothing wrong with optimism, so I hope you are right and I'm proven wrong, however I shall maintain my stance while simultaneously hoping to be wrong.
NY1
· 1 year ago
Thx American,i hope the others would follow your lead and be civil,rather than tell me i know nothing about cricket or how stupid i am etc etc.I am hoping we can take the next 3 games and i hope the selectors don't PANIC and make WHOLESALE changes. We have winners here let's give them a chance to WIN.
American
· 1 year ago
I am so sorry, but I slipped up and used NY1 instead of the red American. Yes, I sometimes post as NY1 just to make it interesting.
American
· 1 year ago
Hello CA/WI/T&T NOW GET A LIFE
WI
· 1 year ago
American are you tired of making yourself an ass. What are ou talking about? Its hard enough not understanding what you are posting about cricket logics already.
WI
· 1 year ago
i meant for write the word are'nt.
GMAN
· 1 year ago
Greendrich, Roberts, Butts, are captain, mate and navigator sailing aimlessly to no where. All three seems to have no clue as to what direction they need to take in order to restore west indies cricket back to a level of international respectability. Clearly they have forgotten how W.I. gained supremacy in the 70's and 80's. Well let me remind them, back then every player who made the team were successful in the regional "Sell shield" compitition from Clive Loyd to Richie Richerson. With the exception of Greendrich and Richards, who both made the team out of their outstanding dominance in county cricket in England. The W.I. team was selected based on merit not regional bias. It seem at the moment their are no standards employed in the selection process . As i have said before the selection to the team needs to be based on some sort of consistant performance at the regional level in addition to the playing average of current players in the W.I. team. At the moment the selection of the likes of Pollard , Brown, Fletcher Marshall begs the question what is the basis for their selection? Please someone, justify the selectors schizophrenic behavior, none of these players have proven themselves on a consistant basis at the regional level.
GMAN
· 1 year ago
Greenidge, Roberts,Butts are captain, mate and navigator of a ship that's sailing aimlessly to no where . All three seem to have no clue as to what direction need to be taken in order restore West Indies cricket to a level of international respectability. Clearly, they have forgotten how WI. Gained supremacy in the 70's and 80's.Well, let us remind them, back then every player who made the team merited their slot, because they were consistantly successful in the regional "Shell Shield" compitition. From the likes of Clive Loyd to Richie Richerson, with the exception of Greenidge and Richards, who both made the team from their outstanding dominance in English county cricket, the WI. Team was selected based on merit. Now since the entrance of big money in the game they some how have lost their way and some how it has allowed many to wonder about varied types of bias. It seems at the moment their are no standards employed in the selection process. As i have said before the selection to the team needs to be based on some sort of consistant criterion ie. the a cosistant and successful performance at the regional level (Carib cup & Red Stripe cup); In addition to the playing average of current players in the WI. Team
Cricketer
· 1 year ago
GMAN:
Thanks for losing the caps; but your post has become really elongated. Can you re-post by either responding to this post or starting at the very top. Thanks.
Harcha
· 1 year ago
We are on our way out!! I do not see us coming back anytime soon.
Amanda
· 1 year ago
good luck, guys!!! ;)
American
· 1 year ago
NEW SELECTION PANEL
I endorse the following persons
R.Jumadin- Chairman Bryan Davis Vivian Richards
NY1
· 1 year ago
Selection s/b based on performances of their last 5 games or respective averages against the other teams(similar to baseball).I will say it again-Ganga would have made a difference in more than one way.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
nothing happening american & ny1, i think everyone has had enouhgh of these performances for now, both from players and admin. I always thought we were a better oneday team than test, based on recent stats, but the batting left alot to be desired, and i really think its time to go to the under 19 level and build from there i we have not been winning with the core that we have over a period of years, and its time for a change, there are a few good kids out there, and they should be looked at, as far as captaincy goes i really dont know, Gayle is a leader but i dont think he knows what he is doing tactically sometimes, there was an over short in the last one day, which sarwan should have finished , and edwards should have bowled the last over, or hold powell for it - that i cannot come to terms with.
ramdhin for me is out of the question as a keeper/batsman. powell, playing too long to be so inconsistent at test level, i loke him for onedays though. chattergoon - no ready for the international pressure morton - poor technique sammy -too ordinary benn - never impressed
we have 3 world class batsmen, 2 edwards, and taylor and bravo thats about goos as u can get, why cant we win?
American
· 1 year ago
Coverdrive,
You neglected to mention the most important issue: That of captaincy/leadership.
As NY1 pointed out, the best leader.captain in the WI is in the sideline simply b/c the powers can't see why leadership is important and are only look at batting averages.
EVERYONE was talking about how good a leader and captain Gayle seems to be early on- now with the pressure on he is buckling under the weight of responsibility and accountability.
Ganga, may not have scored a lot of runs, and btw, Gayle didn't either, but Ganga the tactician and leader he is can and would have take the team forward.
Ganga must be appointed now.
And if there are certain players from a "big island" that don't want to support him, then they should be promptly dropped.
Let Ganga build this team and to hell with his batting average.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
the most important thing right now is the board and mgt of west indies cricket, qualified selectors who know what they are doing, who are up to date with technology, nderstand the international game, and are not living in the past like robrerts and company. You have that in place, you have t\blhe faith of the west indies public and on going farm programs, we will win again. as far as west indies captain, i will prefer see bravo. i think, he can inspire and he represents what west indies want in players.
Ganga has not been doing well of late in his batting, and i dont think west indies will embrace him as captain for that reason. If he as a great season regionally then he deserves a pick on the team like anyone else, we still have an opening slot available with no one really claiming it, no 3 is set with sarwan, no 4 is open, 5 is chanders., so there is room for players to come forward.
mgt and planning will have to make get it right.
newyork
· 1 year ago
i think they should play wilam perkins
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
50 overs 20/20 or test?
NY
· 1 year ago
Play Ganga instead or bring back Lara
newyork
· 1 year ago
anything
American
· 1 year ago
It appears the Stanford selectors are smarter than Greenidge and Co- the inclusion of Ganga in the preliminary squad is a very wise move. No doubt, Ganga will captain this outfit- for he proved the most astute leader in the last Stanford outing.
I don't think Gayle can make the 20/20 team, he has failed miserably in every 20/20 match, both as a player and a captain-
My Stanford team 13
Ganga- Skipper Bravo -VC Marshall Sarwan Chanderpaul Taylor Sammy Mohammed Badree Emrit Ramdin Fletcher Willett
newyork
· 1 year ago
american i don't know were you get your information from gayle should remain in the side,daren ganga should be the captain for the women's team he can't bat to save his life so as the rest of the team axcept sarwan, chanderpaul and the 4 fast bowlers
ram
· 1 year ago
Go Chander…he is now the #1 batsman on the ICC Test Player Rankings. As WI cricket (Gayle quit captain) and management (WICB CEO on administrative leave, corporate services manager Tony Deyal has been fired) keeps crumbling, the superior Shiv stands out.
Ny
· 1 year ago
Only Ganga can save WI now. Get Lara into management.
American
· 1 year ago
If reports of Gale resignation is correct, then GAYLE MUST BE COMMENDED for a playing his best innings yet.
His selfless resignation is commendable because Chris realizes he doesn't have the leadership abilities required to successfully take the team forward.
The early promise showed by GAYLE that many commentators spoke about was displaced and very typical of West Indian style analysis.
Thank you GAYLE, this decision shows you care about WI cricket, your resignation should now pave the way for the best man to resume the job that is rightfully his, since no other in the WI can do it better.
Ganga should be immediately appointed and given a long run to affect change.
In a related topic, I am dissapointed that Butts retained his selectors job, in fact I understand he is not the chair of the committee.
I would have like to see Lara in this role. The only consolation is Greenidge and Roberts are no longer around. Lets hope the two new selectors are straight and not swayed by insularity and favoritism.
Lets also hope a spinner, preferably Jaggers is given a chance to flourish.
Ny
· 1 year ago
Thats right American Gayle is not selfish like Lara he stepped aside and deservidly make way for Ganga to captain no matter he will not score runs.
Tony
· 1 year ago
All the silly minor "sports" are in the Olympics like softball (girls baseball -how many countries play that ?) why not cricket ?Check out www.Cricket2012Games.com - we can all help get Crciket into the Olympics
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
so ram where do we go from here, maybe a new captain on the horizon, a few youth players, barath is shaping well. roach has some potential.
eager to see whats this new selection team will come up with.
caribbean social network
· 1 year ago
West Indies was just here in St Kitts.. They lost but I don't care. I'm a die hard fan.. GO WINDIES!!
new york
· 1 year ago
standford twenty twenty team 13 man squad bravo,chanderpaul,ganga,taylor,gayle, sarwan,perkins,alderman [wk],dowlin,badree,emrit,marshall
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
thats 12, what role is ganga playing on the team, if an opener, he cannot compete with marshall and perkins/gayle and mohammed is a better option than both badree and emrit
sarwan is way too slow on the field for this game.
ram
· 1 year ago
coverdrive, wa wrong with you boy....ganga did not even make the team to go to Canada . Here is the team; West Indies squad Chris Gayle (capt), Xavier Marshall, Sewnarine Chattergoon, Ramnaresh Sarwan, Brendan Nash, Shawn Findlay, Leon Johnson, Carlton Baugh (wk), Dave Mohammed, Nikita Miller, Jerome Taylor, Daren Powell, Kemar Roach, Fidel Edwards.
I hope Nash, Baugh and Mohammed show the selectors that they can compete at this level.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
i am refering the 20/20 team ram
WI
· 1 year ago
Coverdrive wah wrong with you like all the cricket you playing the sun affecting you thinking.lol.
coverdrive
· 1 year ago
i know , too much sun this summer,
20/20 team picked my only problem here is powell, i dont think he has demonstrated that he is an international player of class.
hooray ram u must be happy, no ganga and no ramdhin.
American
· 1 year ago
A WI 20/20 team without Ganga as captain s doomed to fail against England. Lets face it, T&T won because of superior leadership by Ganga. One would have think that he would have been the natural man to lead the outfit.
Looking at this team, I will bet a Trinidad team can defeat the WI select. Maddingly, Gayle and Jospeh made it. Gayle's 20/20 record id the worse for any front line batter in the world, moreover, his he seems lost in 20/20.
Well I guess Joseph, being from Antigua, they couldn't overlook him.
At any rate I wish the team well, but I doubt very much thay can win and cash in on the $20mil
All Comments
Let the party begin!
We are in good hands if these two fellas can continue to throw the ball at the opponent, like they did in this first test.
With the back-up roster of Jerome Taylor, Dwayne Bravo and D Sammy, I cannot wait to see the next test.
This is what we have been all waiting for !
Now to get a few successful specialist batsmen in the mix and throw them all together, we got the perfect storm of an echelon of Caribbean invincibility that can again ride that blue top of the horizon that eluded us for so long.
Hope breeds new fervour and an entire new design of a budding springtime dynasty?
Windies, a team of simple youngmen with hearts of roaring fire who dreamed that they were true champions.
WIBC, Dyson.Khan and company, make this the most memorable test yet.
nice up fidel and powell ........pace in dem skin
u is and will always be a pusssssy, pretend to be someone else. There's nothing wrong being an Indian from Trinidad, one must be proud of who they are – must try it and you will see how good it will feel. Be proud of yourself, stop pretending.
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once chanders bats through the innings we will win it, we have
attacking batsmen who can score quickly if needed, morton will
be important today, i like him against fast bpwling.
bravo should do well also.
a ramdhin partnership. 80 overs to get 200 runs, jaggy powell
and edwards can bat a little . still have some hope.
Keep hope alive- with a better captain, WI could have won
is part of our batting failure
Alcoholism is a serious disease as such you must seek help, as I advised before, get help before its too late.
I did some research on your kind- too many of your countryman are alcholics- You gotta get help goat man- your time is running out.
If the top end can stay dey ground, especially Sarwan, then we can turn de kitchen sink into a wash room vanity.
Can Chanderpaul show up again wearing his Guyana's Excalibur sometime tomorrow? This tireless Guyanese Tiger warrior is called again and again to come to the fore and strengthen the Windies defence. And he gladly jumps into the fray.
The Windies have already done a great job to put the world champs on the
ropes. Okay they could have pressed home the advantage when the
Aussies were five down for peanuts, but they came back well and have set up a chance of victory on the final day that most of us would have considered very unlikely before the series, and even less so after the first Aussie innings.
We have buried the idea that this tour would be a stroll in the park for Ponting & co.
The difference was Ponting- his captaincy was head and shoulders above Sarwan's. In fact Sarwan was the WI biggest liability- he failed miserably with the bat and his bowling changes left much to be desired- this despite his fielders being impeccable and his bowlers delivering in both innings.
For the 2nd test:
Out- Parchament
In Gayle- if fit, if not, Chattergoon, if not fit, then Smith
Out Smith-
In Ganga- Captain
Sarwan- although he is walking in thin ice, but WI cannot afford his captaincy.
Nash
C/Paul
Bravo- VC
Ramdin
Powell
Taylor
Edwards
Jaggernauth
Sammy- difficult drop but you need 4 specialist bowlers with Bravo
And my good friend here agrees as he nods and says, this is really a tied game. nobody won. Two parts to the game, with a full 10 wickets each side. Each side bat and then bowl. The Aussies won the first part, but lost the second part.
My friend says to tell the WICB to call on his services next time dey need a win.
He is the best best bowler and the biggest hitter and awsome driver of the ball in all the islands and other land.
He could a bowl out Andrew Symonds first first ball and still be batting at the close of play today, the last day.
Yes my friend is known as the third legged man. World wide. The man with the other appendage. Always rearing and ready for any show especially for long long play.
The third leg is a cround pleaser. in fact he says nobody ever complain yet with he
As for his fielding, he fast fast on the field. Anything come close by to he, He grab and strike center wicket with his extra throwing arm.
Yea, the WICB can use this man any day.
Sarwan or Bravo could of use this man today. He could have open the batting.
Maybe the next test at Antigua, they can call on Brier ANNANSI.
They need this man badly against the Aussies.
- gaggers out...
Sulieman Benn
Dwayne Bravo
Shivnarine Chanderpaul
Fidel Edwards
Chris Gayle
Xavier Marshall
Runako Morton
Brenton Parchment
Daren Powell
Denesh Ramdin
Darren Sammy
Ramnaresh Sarwan
Devon Smith
Jerome Tayloy
I guess Chatergoon still injured
Unfortunately The Charlatans are embedded with the WICB , AND TOGETHER THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SAD STATE OF CRICKET IN THE REGION . What these people have failed to see is that our Players are in essence part time Players who with one Regional Tournament in the 3 versions of the game , no Semi or Professional League , and also as mentioned before , no Coaches have to do battle against full time Players , who play more Cricket , and have Coaches .
It has been lost on the Buffons at the WICB & the Charlatans that the advent of the ICC
has placed our Team at a distinct disadvantage . The WICB refuses to have meaningful Camps , and agrees to schedules that are detrimental to our Players . It however expects to have success by being cheap . That aint ever going to happen .
There are things that the WICB can do instantly but refuses to do , the fact that it refuses to do these things informs me that the WICB is of the belief that amassing large sums of money and not giving the Team what is necessary will ultimately bring success . I beg to differ from this stupidity ,
In the meantime , the Charlatans rather that point out the errors f the WICB , prefer to be critical of the Players . In my opinion they arent Sports Journalists , but mere hacks to masquerade as Sports Journalists . These are persons utterly devoid of shame . I find it bone chilling , that the unholy alliance between the WICB & The Charlatans has brought Cricket in the Region to a sad and sorry state .
This is precisely why , in my opinion the WICB needs to be removed from the governance of Cricket in the Region . I have absolutely no doubt that any entity other than the WICB can & will do a better job than the WICB .
ideal opening partner for Gayle.Anyhow he is not in,the team s/b:
1.Gayle
2.Marshall
3.Sars
4.Morton
5.C'paul
6.Smith
7.Bravo
8.Ramdin
9.Taylor
10.Poiwell
11.Edwards
looks like we will stay as a fast bowling team, the spinners are not
really taking full advantage of their chances, well done sammy, showed
alot of application and edwards powell and taylor once fit will always
give us a chance,. if this batting line up cannot compete , then the
selectors after this series have a lot of work to do in looking at another
generation.
is the variation they may stick with, but with hayden and clark
the batiting will look alot different now , benn might be a
long shot. and u r right, that runs should have been made there was too much time to do it. poor shot selection
and planning for an innings is where it went wrong, australia
was just bowling good line and lenghth but a good speed. i think either smith or gayle might be batting lower with marshall opening. i feel sorry for sammy though, he had a
good match.
Let's see what happens in Antigua where the wicket does not offer help to the bowlers.
HHHHHuuuuuuuuuuu..........
Let me think of another opener..............no one comes to mind - Can u name someone......
No way not him.
To play spinners against the solid Aussies is asking for trouble and asking for an early defeat. Slow bowling or spin bowling would be the biggest blunder against the Aussies. Your only hope of spinners lies in catching the ball near the boundary ropes. This is not to say Windies should give up on spinners! I believe for spinners to effectively perform at their optimum or this level calls for a mentally strong individual - an individual who has the "Alpha Male" characteristic and poised in confidence. And I do not see this person (Windies spinner) there yet. Jaggernauth looks too soft and the Aussies can see this. Benn is also the same.
Even the Windies fast bowlers do not scare the daylights out of Pointing or Symonds, but because of their long run up they have the advantage of the bounce, and when line and length come together, the fast balls can be effective in getting them off the pitch.
The 5th day attack of Lee and Clarke was lethal against the Windies. I looked at the Windies batsmen, and they all who batted at the crease were tightly apprehensive or lightly fearful of what these two bowlers were throwing at them. This is when Dyson should have encourage his batsmen to breeth in deeply to allay their fears and wait out the attack.
And incidenttally, this is how the Windies have to attack the Aussies. Just MIRROR the Aussies. The 4th day attack of the Windies pace men were very effective, but while the Aussies were plumb on the wicket, the Windies ball were a bit off the wicket and accounted for the catches and not stumps flying. But I would not take anything away from Edwards or Powell or even Bravo. They were spectacular.
The Windies batting line-up has to be as strong and consistent as the Aussies. Here you need the no-fear batsmen to get on the team. Guys who can swash Lee and company over the boundary without batting an eyelid.
If Chanderpaul he has not recovered, then this can be an awfully quick series in the Caribbean and a decidingly progressive decline in the young man's career .
Hopefully, we would not like to see this happen to one of the new series of current icons of the game.
From his teammates accounts, Chanderpaul exhibits everything that the Caribbean is all about.
I do hope his health is stellar.
In Antigua's batting paradise, a spinner is a must, I guess the selectors have buy in to the claim that Gayle is a front line spinner.
Perhaps, the domestic competition should be scrapped if derived performance is ignored by the selectors.
WI lost the match because the batters failed- they could not string two innings- Bravo- good in the first but could not sustain it in he 2nd innings- Ramdin, made a mess in the first innings but was ok in the 2nd innings. Morton very good in the first, coud not sustain it in the second. Smith- shaky in both innings- Parchment- badly out of place in the test arena and the biggest loser of all the captain himself, a double failure in both innings- the manner of both dismissals is unbecoming for the team's captain, senior batter and premier batsman- as he is touted.
Moreover, his captaincy, specifically, his bowling changes gave the Aussie an escape route- during the first morning he refused to bowl Jaggas when both Ponting and Hussey was tentative and scratchy. In the 2nd innings he played right into Symonds hands, or should I say bat, when he incorrectly bowled Jaggas- none of the fast men were tired because the innings was less than 20 overs and they were doing a good job, unlike in the first innings.
If we are too judge spinners to a different, higher standard, then the captain must also be judged to a higher standard and pay the price for non performance.
Ganga needs to be back in this team- if he was the captain, he would not have done any worse than Saran in batting and he would certainly have been mighty superior a tactician- this would have made the difference between defeat and victory-
The selectors are unfit- they cannot see the importance of leadership to the team's performance. this is a real pity and WI played dearly for it.
team that is ranked higher than us? Be honest.I think Dave Mohd. would.
If you think that Gayle, Sarwan, Morton, Samuels could not make the test team of other countries ranked above the Windies, then you are merely confirming your complete ignorance of cricket. I anticipate your unhindered descent to the sublimation stage with your call for Ganga to captain the Rest of the World team in a match against the Aussies.
If Ganga can average in the 30's like Gayle and Sarwan,tell me why he shouldn't be? We all accept that he is by far a better capt.than most including our present Capo and VICE
Opener: Gayle could replace which of the foll: Jacques/Hayden,Strauss/Cook,Gambir/Sewhag,Butt/Imran,Gibbs/Smith,
Sarwan for : Ponting,Amla,Dravid,Sangakarra,Vaughn,Younis,Taylor.
Morton/Samuel for : Clarke,Kallis,Tendulkar,Jayawardene,Peterson,Yohanna,Marshall.BE REAL.
Gayle can open for any test playing nation. Lest we forget also he scored 319 against all that SA had to throw at him. Importantly he has ranked as high as No. 2 as an allrounder.
Sarwan is as good as all that you included, except for Ponting who is batting well at the moment.
Morton/Samuels may be a stretch replacing any of the examples you quoted, except for Clarke who is not as consistent as the others and especially against genuinely quick bowlers. Peterson is also a possibility to be replaced by either Morton or Samuels.
Sars cannot make any of the top test nations.
Shiv can walk into any team including Australia
I feel sorry for you sometimes- why do you not see the impotance of leadership- sometimes statistics alone does not suffice, especially in Ganga's case with his superior leadership capabilities.
Do you really beieve that if Ganga's average was identical to Gayle or Sarwan, WI would have won or not lost the matches he played on that the team lost?
Clearly the right answer is no.
Any way, to each his own.
And I apologize to you for the "bananna boy" comment, I was out of line to do so.
I'm not "based" in America- I was born and bred here-in the Mid-West USA.
edwards
When I was in High School, a while back, in the good ole days, Saturday nights would find us schoolmates around a 1/2 bottle of the Russian and when money began to whittle down we would camp around the cheaper pirate, Bucaneer.
Do you recall Gunboat port wine? Around 12 midnight, Saturdays, when people were coming home from the cinema and all our money was down to spare change, you can bet the Gunboat was the choice ship of the linoleum covered table, of some dark hidden away bar, where music pelted out from large jukebox.
I know Ram, you must have had the same experience like mine. I am certain Blade can recall "Perseverance" down St. Magdalen street or Mongol on Strand, or Coconut Grove AT high Bridge.
I left Guyana in my teens, I dont know much - I went back couple of years ago for a very brief stay but not did not explore.
He needs to emulate Ricky Ponting's footwork and assured front foot movements outside off-stump and rid himself of his apprehension against the seaming and bouncing ball which for the most part induces poor shot selection when he is tied down.
Sars need to break the sequence of consistently low scores against the Aussies over four test series where he has only scored one century and three fifties. Hey Sars , play positively in the next two test matches but not overly agressively and certainly not at the expense of good common sense batsmanship.
AND WHY NOT? HE'S RIGHT, THE SELECTORS AND UNIFORED FANS WILL STILL RATE HIM HIGHLY
HE'S GOT THE TALENT, NO DOUBT, BUT TALENT ALONE IS NOT ENOUGH AND THE RESULTS ARE FOR ALL TO SEE.
NY1 MADE A VAlid comparison with other number 3's in the world, where does Sars fit in- no in any team.
Younis Khan had the same problem for a few year, but guess what, Younis worked diligently on his weakness, now he is a top act despite Pakistan not playing many test due to "security concerns"- Sars ought to emulate him, but would he?
Lara tried to get Sars to improve, instead all Sars did was to lament how hurt he was about being dropped in Pakistan
Shut da F** Up. Get loss.
I just finished watching Adam Gilchrist and H. Gibbs go down for under 5 runs in one of the 20/20 matches back to back. Should this have happened in the West Indies. the entire capital would have gone down in flames.
It's just a game fellas. Don't get a cow !
In my NFL or NHL hockey pool, I am not worried that my team would not be in the playoff, and I am not worried that some of the players might end up behind bars. Just a game played by millionaire professionals who are just humans.
Can't wait for NFL to start, My "NY Giants" is de World champ.
Football, as the name indicates, is primarily about KICKING a BALL. But, as usual, since they were not smart enough to invent football they had to come up with the bastardized name "soccer". Nowhere else in the world is the beautiful game referred to as soccer.
accept mediocre performances from someone with superstar ability(this goes for Gayle as well).Ponting has far less natural ability than Sars,yet has outdone him in every facet of the game,simply because of discipline and application.Look at Zaheer Abbas (probably one of ther greatest strokemakers of all time),after making 200 plus ,he got out playing the sweep shot,he made a promise never to play it again and has never done so-this was very early in his career.Don't necessarily agree with him,but it shows discipline ,mind you he was as talented as anyone playing the game today.Sars has never been a humble individual(maybe that's how he is),the sooner he realises that he is representing every West Indian and his team is relying heavily on him and competeing is more about grit and determination rather than showmanship-every supporter willhave a lot more to cheer about.So if some of you guys want to accept and wallow in mediocrity,then so be it
Same situation with Sarwan or any other batsman for that matter; they have off days, which can be magnified palying against teams like Australia. You mentioned Zaheer Abbas, but failed to include the trying times that he had against the Windies pace battery. So too did Asif iqbal and Majed Khan. Interestingly, only Imran Khan, the allrounder coped well against Holding et al. Jeff Thompson and Dennis Lillee, the Aussie pace duo combined with Max Walker to demolish Clive Lloyd, Yagga Rowe, Kallicharan, Richards, Fredericks, etc. in the 1975-1976 series Down Under. Based on your postulation, these players were wallowing in mediocrity!!!
The point is, while we expect Sarwan to score heavily everytime he holds a bat, reality dictates that this will not occur. How soon it is forgotten what he did against SL!!!!!!!
he should be left to do so, gayle is a very calm person, as stated by the players
also and may function better in that capacity. and i agree with u nt, we will
see more from sars in the next test.
was reading ramdhin's take on his batting, heard him say those things many times. he has shown that he can play a long innings. i dont know if he panics becasue of the numberhe bats at and knows that the tail is coming soon, but
if taylor is given the oppportunity to bat longer, this may help calm ramdhin down
a little also.
i still think that a good dropping is what he needs to stay focused though.
Spread the word !
Tell the fellas to show up and give a bowling performance like they did at Sabina on the 4th day the Test is all their's.
Pointing and his boys are dressing up for the Windies big bash party starting tomorrow.
It's dance time, choose the reggae songs you most like to hear.
Bring on Toots or Maxi ! Mashing up to 'Government Boots" .
No let up !
Carifesta starting early.
Sarwan's got to understand his role in the team, if he already do, he most
certainly don't seem to appreciate it or act the part.
His lack of maturity and leadership abilities is not only a drain in the team, but also a burden to him.
His performance as a batsman is at best stagnant, but more accurately in a downward spiral. Given his talent and the great investment made on him by WI, how much longer is the powers willing to give him to meet the expectations? Promoting him as captain was the wrong message to him and it is and will continue to burden him.
THe problem is that Sarwan, quite unlike Shiv, wants the glory associated with being WI captain without accepting and recognizing the enormous responsibility that comes with it.
He is not young, he's been part of the set up for the last 8 years, played against every country, and have seen and played against the 3 greatest batters of his era, notably, the greatest of them all- Lara, Tendulkar and Inzamam. He played against the best captain of his era, Flemings, yet quite strangely, he seem not to have learn anything?
Moreover, he had the services of Clive Lloyd, ostensibly as a father figure, his fellow country man seem not to have had any influence on him? Why?
The frustration level with Sarwan's inability to consistently perform is just too much to bear, notice the manner of both dismissals in the first test, can anyone who know this noble game justify Sarwan's approach during both innings- He it is who was chiefly responsible for WI defeat- by his double batting failures- although the selectors are to be blamed for his tactical errors, because after all, Sarwan did not select himself as captain.
Drop the selectors but keep Sarwan, for his enormous talent is worth a gamble, but he's got to understand the stakes involved and know that time is running out.
Can somebody whisper in his earSarwan's got to understand his role in the team, if he already do, he most certainly don't seem to appreciate it or act the part.
His lack of maturity and leadership abilities is not only a drain in the team, but also a burden to him.
His performance as a batsman is at best stagnant, but more accurately in a downward spiral. Given his talent and the great investment made on him by WI, how much longer is the powers willing to give him to meet the expectations? Promoting him as captain was the wrong message to him and it is and will continue to burden him.
THe problem is that Sarwan, quite unlike Shiv, wants the glory associated with being WI captain without accepting and recognizing the enormous responsibility that comes with it.
He is not young, he's been part of the set up for the last 8 years, played against every country, and have seen and played against the 3 greatest batters of his era, notably, the greatest of them all- Lara, Tendulkar and Inzamam. He played against the best captain of his era, Flemings, yet quite strangely, he seem not to have learn anything?
Moreover, he had the services of Clive Lloyd, ostensibly as a father figure, his fellow country man seem not to have had any influence on him? Why?
The frustration level with Sarwan's inability to consistently perform is just too much to bear, notice the manner of both dismissals in the first test, can anyone who know this noble game justify Sarwan's approach during both innings- He it is who was chiefly responsible for WI defeat- by his
was injured. everyone understands their role.
move to something else now.
I'm not willing to give up yet, so I'll continue to harp on anything and anyone who ails WI cricket.
By now you should know that I have adopted WI as my own and I only want to see good things happen.
Too many "fans" take criticism as a personal affront to their nationalistic dignity, thus any criticism of Sarwan for example
is quickly followed by hooligans in Georgetown and Richmond Hill calling me names, dido for criticism for Jamaican players and not to be outdone, criticism of Morton usually results in NT praying for my demise.
I intend to remain steadfast for I offer a unique perspective in an unbiased manner. The fact the NT suffers from high blood pressure whenever he reads by piece is not my fault and that drunkard Ram is hopeless- don't blame me for their sickness.
U gayass...
Lets talk real cricket west indian way. Hope Gayle/Taylor back in the mix today go windies.
important today, and the rest just disiplined fast bowling, just
be competitive in the bowling dept and fielding, taylor has good
variation and is getting better. sars just has to be on par with his
field placing against pointing, he is on business in this game.
watching the game ram?
Contact AA today- they will help you Ram, its your only chance- call them it will be the best call you will ever make in your sorry life
Licks like pease
Smith -44
Marshall- 39
Sarwan-56
Morton-20
Chanderpaul- 102
Bravo- 119
Ramdin-9
Sammy-26
Taylor-15
Powell-8
Ewards-6
I am yet again perplexed by Sarwan's field placing, he also looks jaded and dull in the field. I guess he is also now become a spinner.
Morton dropped a dolly of a chance that is probably going to cost 100 runs. At least Ramdin's dropped was tricky and extremely difficult, in fact it is a change only because Ramdin did so well to get to it.
Lets see how this pans out, but its seems like WI will be playing catch up.
Forget that fool, as WI mentioned earlier ignore that F-ing idiot. he is just a P*ssy
under 300 in a full day on a good pitch so i dont think thats too bad, but i guess
the selectors thought gayle would havebeen ready, and would add some spin to
game, but now its not there. just keep bowling good line and length and a breakthrough will happen, i do think that as soon as pointing was out that edwars
should have had a go at clarke though, sars continued for a few more which helpled
clark to get in.
they kept australia under 300 in 82 overs, thats consolation, going into the second
day, come on we saw what our bowlers are capable of, have some hope for them.
i am hoping they can at least bowl them out by tea, and take advantage ofthe batting strip for two days of so of batting.
i am not supporting australia, i am a wi fan, so thats where my hope is
This brings me to my real peeve, and that is, why the dickens our groundsmen around the region cannot prepare better pitches? The selectors are choosing fastbowlers and the pitches are at best sterile; does this make any sense? Then again, what the heck do I know.
THE PITCHES.
WE RELY ON FAST BOWLING, SO WE NEED PITCHES TO ASSIST, IF
WE RELY ON SPINNERS LIKEWISE, THATS WHAT HOME ADVANTAGE IS A
ALL ABOUT
and bravo play the same role of allrounder, i would prefer to see
the molding of a spinning allrounder, i am not saying to hell with
sammy, he is too talented, i am just saying an allrounder to do more asa
as a spinner and bat and field well, and i think dave mohammed
is that person, once the selectors are willing to give him the
time and patience they give the fastbowlers
Almost all the matches that played in Jamica (SP) usually have a result (win or loss). The WICB should employed those guys to prepare all the pitches in the caribbean.
I taught u will be doing the preaching in church this morning, I did not see you.
fellow jamaicans on the wi team will help him settle. i am really tired of smlith now
and the selectors and forcing him on the team by thinking of him as a lower order
batsman, morton needs to be more responsible, like i said after this series, certain
players like morton, ramdhin, powell, smith have to be looked at carefully, i still
think for nash and his patience would make a good replacement for samuels and
can bowl thus adding more dimension, but the role of sammy, its either him or bravo
for test, but he is a definited for one days though.
when season players like morton who is playing as a specialist batsman, cannot
be responsible enough to hold his wicket, for a greater cause , then he has
place in test cricket. its time to separate oneday players from test players
and or better yet just fire the selectors. we cannot continue making fools of ourselves
on the international scene.
and these morons who take care of our pitches should also be fired,
alot has to be learnt from this series
sarwan cannot be captain
ramdhin has to be repalced or put to bat after powell and taylor
we need a spinning allrounder - mohd/benn/jaggy - they can all bat
either bravo or sammy - thats easy
smith - sent packing
marshall - given the same opportunity smith was given
morton - not a test batsman.
chanderpaul - should be made a mentor to the under 19 wi team
powell - need to understand his role e
edwards/taylor - probably the 2 best young fast bowlers around - need to be taken
care of if we are to win games
gayle - has to get back in the team asap
stay and come again,
till WI are safe to bat again
group has to come to an end. for my part only gayle sarwan chander, bravo, edwards and taylor should remain after this series, one good performance wil not do it
taylor has to be allowed to develop higher in the order as an allrounder,
austrialia will now make 250 or so and send the wi to bat with a 400 odd lead and
see if they can survive tomorrow, if so, chanders and sars should open, this is not
to win, this is to bat as long as possible.
a great servant.
Before you go running up your mouth, why don't you get your information first and then come back with a proper assessment. Morton has done nothing to get dropped.
Do not mistake humility for servitude.
Chanderpaul has come from a long lineage of Guyanese cricketers who examplify simplicity and humility. Moreover, it has come from his youthful playing days in the countryside with his rural upbringing and in line with his religious pertinacity.
I do not personally know the man but what I see out in the cricket field coupled with the Guyanese experience.
I know he is bordering on greatness and with his peculiar stance at the wicket he may well go down as a Windies/World genius. Only time will tell. He certainly plays and maintain his act with the best of them.
And again, this man is no one's servant.
My misdirected and warped perception.
Just trying to uplift and aligned perception to universal acceptance.
I know Coverdrive was not implying slavery.
Take it easy Vic.
During the WI last tour to Auralia, 3 critical decisions went against Lara and others against Ramdin and Bravo during theur enterprising partnership in a match they were fighting to win and could have.
During the recent series against India, Bucknoe made sure that trend continued- as India suffered and went o the narrowly loose the series
Going back even further in 1992-93, against the formidable Pakistanis, and in a series that was billed as the championship, Pakistan suffered during the first test when Australia was at the jaws of defeat. That Australia went on to win that test and 16 consequitive ones is now history.
The errors by umpire Tifin, or to borrow a phrase from West Indian parlance, Umpire "Theifin" is remarkable and inexcusable and may cost West Indies this match.
What of poor Bravo who eschewed his natural attacking style in favor of crease occupation and in search of a century that he certainly looked good for?
Worse yet, Ramdin never stood a chance, given the criticism from fans about his poor batting, this could be devastating not only to WI but also to Ramdin's chances to regain his plce in the team.
Lets hope the selectors takes this into consideration. Dido for Sammy as "THEIFIN" made sure his return to the pavillion was short.
Lets see if "theifin" decides to even it up in the 2nd innings as WI will need all the luck to save his game.
As for the elite panel, its time the ICC allow broader use of technology in order to make them more effective and add more fairplay to the game. For those who claim umpire errors is part and parcel of this lovely game and those mistakes is part of the drama, I say, what about those aggreived players and teams like WI who are trying to compete with top teams and do not deserve to be chopped down by a crooked finger?
But not to worry the torch has been passed and the power structure have already been shifted. In years to come, the first shall be last and the last shall be first. In the meantime it's just a game govern by people who can make a bad call. But when it's so many, something smells rotten in Denmark, and a mark den have to be made against that official name.
sars and chanders had to be there from the begining, smith marshall and moton
we know would not be able to deal with this pressure, we need stabilty for 2 sessions today, now is an uphill battle just to force a draw.
It will come down to a photo finish.
Just believe it can be done and a great upset is in the making !
i really dont know right now. its like we are forcing players into positions, nothing
in place for future thats the bottom line.
new selectors please.
innings so far., take it easy
who do u suggest at 4
on for a draw at least.
Morton, like too many of our players, appears to lack consistent confidence. However, I would not drop him, as I don't believe there is a replacement for him, including the much touted Nash, who still has to establish himself.
The consensus is clear, or should be, on Ramdin - it's time for him to be sent back to the drawing board and be replaced by either Baugh or Browne. Play Sammy in the ODI's only. Push Taylor up to No. 8 and let him start to develop into a "Malcolm Marshall", i.e. a fastbowler who can also bat. I would not drop Powell, for the same reason as Morton, I just don't see anyone else with whom to replace him, and for the most part he bowls very well in tandem with Edwards and Taylor.
The Windies should treat the current test as an ODI and try for a win. Playing for a draw proves nothing other than telling the Aussies to keep the Sir Frank Worrell trophy.
i dont think there is anyhing so special about morton, to keep him there, but i agree with u or powell.
Coverdrive start praying. I heard you did a Rev. Jeremiah Wright on Sunday mass.
It does not appear that they want to go after the runs, which is a mistake. Drawing this game means that the 3rd test is academic, as the Aussies would have retained the trophy. Both Sarwan and Chanderpaul are capable of raising the run rate, but perhaps in their mind a draw against the world champions equates to a win based on past performances of the Windies.
if they keep getting the odd boundary and singles and stay at 6 to 7 and over they can make a push at the end, but i dont think they will take any risk
its a shame when their is no confidence after number 5
Here are some names. Now if they were going for an opening batsman for the future. Why didn't they go for A. Barath. He has scored 2 first class centuries in 9 matches and he averages over 44. Why didn't they go for him. Another person to look at again is Ryan Hinds. And I'm fed up with Ramdin. Bring back Baugh. Here is my side.
Gayle
Chattergoon. (if any of those persons are unfit, barath should be brought in
Sarwan
Chanderpaul
Hinds
Morton
Baugh
Bravo
Taylor
Powell
Edwards
Nash didn't even average over 40 in this season and in his first class career he averages 30.
With respect to Marshall's flash in the pan selection, bear in mind he is also one of the better fielders in the region and not intimidated by really fast fastbowlers. I would not consider Adrian Barath ahead of him; but perhaps Lendl Simmons.
Don't downplay Lee's ability. He's one of the most feared bowlers in the world. For him to have gotten those decisions he had to put the ball in the right place. We don't have a Lee on our side either.
Do you believe this ? this is the first test drawn between Austrailia and W.I. since 1995. That is amazing. If my memory serves me right, we have only won one. That was in Antigua. If this is not a step in the right direction, then i don't know what is.
This honorable draw should give the team encouragement going into the 3rd test, a series draw thus looks good.
The form of both Sarwan and Chanderpaul is an enormous boost to the team and if these two can continue in Barbados then WI changes are very good. However, it could be better if the selectors can somehow come to their sense.
For the 3rd and crucial test, I'll recommend the following team in batting order
Gayle- if fit, if not, Bharat
Ganga
Sarwan
Nash
Chanderpaul
Bravo
Ramdin
Powell
Taylor
Jaggernauth
Edwards
Its more like legally cricket incompetent, we know he will push his boyfriend.
and observant, br and surendra - makes u wonder right.
Ram,Nt, covedrive i think we did really well in drawing the 2nd test and i do believe if Sar and Shiv had confidence in the batting line up to follow would have had a go at the runs. Also if we had Gail opening with a quick fire start could have again upset the Aussies. Well I think this team has shown major improvement recording breaking SA win, drawing with SL, drawing a game against the aussies after so many games and had not the incompetent umpiring we could have leveled the present series.
"You notice the sceptics
They are Lara fanatics
Go Windies"
nice nice
u seem to know who are real supporters, let me see how much
u support with sammy and morton out of the team.
has the time o wase, thats why they spend
time here. so to say "we are the only ones' just
confirms your idea th
at u know more than
everyone here. up u will drop ramdin and sammy from a team (i agree), one keeps well
the other bowled ok and can contribute with
bat, but named morton , who to every seen
and learnt supporter is not test, on your
team to go forward.
pitch, sars and chanders should have opened to get the tempo
needed, none of us had the confidence in the openers and morton on the last day., even bravo still in 20/20 mode.
Ganga
C'goon
Sarwan
Gayle
C'paul
Bravo
Ramdhin
Taylor
Powell
Edwards
J'nauth
and this game only, our chances of winning would have been better at least up
to tea, then a different approach could have been made with acceleration if
needed form bravo & morton. but pressure started early and it was
predictable. sarwan showed he could have attacked more and chanders
can be a genius in situations.
to sum up, i am never satisfied unless i win, this draw was ok , for me,
i am pleased generally, but our problems started before the series
when smith was picked as an opener, when like nt said we have
options like the kid from trinidad. sarwan automatically becomes an
opener.
I will be a dis-service to the young man by throwing him into a lion’s den.
chatters/marshall for now. but keep the kid around
In Gy now
Good one Ram to Devon Wilson no one has a gun to your head in posting here..lol
ram is ram.
ram, do u see another 3 or 4 fast bowlers out there who can
contest powell for a place?
Stir up the pot !
The Windies have to win this last test. And win convincingly and rather commodiously so the Aussies have no doubt , when they get back home, that the Windies matched their prowess at all areas and the Windies are serious contenders.
How about calling for Baugh as a batsman to add to the defence. How about getting Pollard. Gayle should play as batsman and bowler. Keep Marshall to open.
Again, go with the same pacemen Taylor and Edwards.We need another Collymore.
The 20/20 match should be played with some new Windies faces.
The one dayers should have a pool of current test players and successful domestic players. Let the dogs (new players) out ! Lets see what we have.! Lets see who can stand up to Lee and Clark.
you are not any different from the selectors,only the -players are not the ones you would choose.
a middle order batsman , and ramdhin.,
There is nothing wrong with stirring the pot as long as the right ingredients are in it. If we are to send home the Aussies with some real retrospective thoughts why in the world would you want to include Pollard in the pot?? We also do not want another Collymore; that is another medium fastbowler as we already have one in Bravo, who can also bat. The Baugh inclusion is agreed, since Ramdin needs a good shaking. If Gayle is indeed fit then he must set the tone at the top of the innings. Marshall, if selected, will enjoy Kensington where the ball comes onto the bat and he can display his wide range of strkes. If Morton sits, then I would bring in Ryan Hinds and also Benn for Sammy. A suggested starting 11 follows:
1. Gayle
2. Marshall
3. Sarwan
4. Chanderpaul
5. Morton
6. Baugh
7. Bravo
8. Taylor
9. Powell
10. Benn
11. Edwards
The game has evolved differing genre which requires different gambols of prodigious skills.
No longer should you draw up a team that would unchangable for a generation.
This is the golden age of cricket and the Windies need as many good cricketers as they can find.
I like your 11 selection.
However, Morton, Bravo and Benn are a toss up. Bravo is a genuine allrounder, and especially a workhorse for change of bowling. I like him in a line up if no one else can come to the plate. Bravo is hot and cold. Benn, only if he can firstly produce a thick fat bat. I would have like to see how Ryan Hinds can match the Aussies.
Incidentally, if Jaggernauth is reading this, he must work on and polish up his batting and return as a strong batsman spinner. Go to the gym and work on strength and toughness. Also he has to develop mental formidable fortitude forte Take a page out or talk to Lance Gibbs in how to go about developing this trait..
Gayle (if ill, Smith)
Chattergoon
Sarwan
Morton
Chanders
Hinds
Ramdin
Bravo
Taylor
Powell
Edwards
Ramdin's keeping is the best I will agree with you that dropping the Aussies top six is the last thing you want.
We all kicking ourselves looking for an opener, we have one, Gayle – one of the most destructive opener in the game.
In the last test it was stated that he’s 90% fit, that’s good enough. I taught real men play cricket.
I other sports players have broken bones, bleeding, etc. and they play. Gayle not too long ago that he fears no one and the cricketing world know who he is.
If he is 90% all we want is for him to play @ 50% of his ability and that will be better than Smith or Marshall played @ 100% of their ability.
We need Gayle on the field – that could be his best medicine. He could just stay at slips all day.
I am not a doctor, I never have an injury he has but at 90% I think that’s good enough. I may be 100% wrong but I just want to put it out there.
Ps. go easy on me now....
I was wondering if he/she/it ever hears the phrase “Speak when you are spoken to”
This “thing” should go back on the board and read how many people address him/her as a Jackass.
and give our guys a fair shake,not everytime they go out to bat or bowl they are thinking about the next game.They are too busy thinking about the morrow rather than learn how to live /play today.
Obviously you need to be pardoned, as clearly Math was not one of your better subjects in school, otherwise it would have been evident to you that to reduce an average of 39 (computed over 70+ tests) to 19.5 would require more than the solitary remaining test, even if he made a pair. You don't just divide the 39 by 2 and expect that the result is correct. You have just embarrassed yourself with such gross ignorance of statistics.
About playing with a broken finger-Nothing heroic,if you saw the game he tried his best to get OUT so that C'paul could be left stranded and he gave us NO chance of competing,played for sympathy and got it from the likes of you.
like gayle fulfills on a team, for those of us who played and still play
a dominating player like chris can set the tone for the rest of the team
once he gets the start we know he can, and he can also inspire
players also. thats what also makes a great captain, not just tactical
ability. if can have great skill as a tactician, nut if u cannot inspire with
performance then its like 50% of the job.
alot of us including myself have critized gayle for his approach sometinmes
but i read a recent interview with him and i understand him more. players have
a great relationship with him, and they know what he expects from them, and he
does not have to say much if he is upset or anything - and i think this makes a
good captain, who can lead and inspire. this last test i believe we will see a
different team, sars in form again, chanders just acumulating, and a few players
understanding they may get the axe if they dont perform, and a pitch that brings
a result. so i do agree with ram, even if not gayle is not 100% he is still good at 70% or so. i hear good things and this bunch and the unity they have, and the role that
prayer has brought to the team,. and its good, and i think the selectors and the mgt
feel that this group ,, which is a young unit, may be the batch to take us u to the top 4 at least in test cricket. so for me i am willing to be more patient with a few players, i think gayle will make the difference in the next test.
to hell with the stats for now.
OUTLINE YOUR 11 SELECTIONS AS THE PICK FOR THIS LAST CRUCIAL TEST, SO THAT MR. CLYDE BUTTS, JIMMY ADAMS, JOHN DYSON AND OTHER PANEL MEMBERS OF SELECTORS COMMITTEE, HAVE SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
FOR MYSELF, I AM DOUBTFUL OF MORTON STRIKING FORM AT THE OVAL.
RAMDIN CAN GO AS A SPECIALIST BATSMAN AND CAN GIVE YOU 30 OR 40 RUNS.
I have already made my suggested 11 known above and they were:
1. Gayle (Bat naturally and lead by example)
2. Marshall (Kensington should suit him well)
3. Sarwan (in good form)
4. Chanderpaul (needed in this position to solidify the top order and frustrate Aus.)
5. Morton (he can bat, but lacks confidence, so Gayle must step in more)
6. Baugh (Has little fear of Brett Lee et al and is not a bad keeper)
7. Bravo (Can and must bat better)
8. Taylor (Rising all-rounder who must be encouraged in this emerging role)
9. Powell (Be consistently dangerous or move out)
10. Benn (Home ground advantage and better option than Jaggernauth)
11. Edwards (Improved but still a little inconsistent)
I am una ware of the condition of Chattergoon, but even if he is "recovered", to have two recently injured openers coming back at the same time for this last test is not my recommendation. I picked one in Gayle for obvious reasons.
Smith I am afraid is out of contention for the forseeable future. Like Ganga he has not done justice to his many opportunities and cannot reasonably expect to maintain his position in the team.
edwards, powell, bravo, taylor, gayle and hinds is alot of bowling.
I agree with Coverdrive - haveing benn is just another bowler, we need the extra bat, if it is Hinds I will live with that.
Go windies.....
My Pal, there is no where i can accept Ramdin giving us 30 or 40....at this point I will opt for Browne or Baugh.
Let be fair
for the Aussies top 6/7 for the 30/40 extra runs.We neeed a keeper who can bat not the other way around.
i have not seen or heard much of roach,
nt, can u shed some light on him for us?
I dont know much about Roach, can he keep - why they still have Ramdin in the squad.
i think they will use baugh for the limited overs games then make an assessment as
to who they will go forward with.
like i said with morton, ramdhin, and powell under scrutiny right now, we may see
some good performaces, hope they do like keith atheron, and make runs whenever
under the knife
maybe he is trying to get manchester united tickets for next season
1.C'goon
2.Marshall
3.Sarwan
4.C'paul
5.Gayle
6.Morton
7.Bravo
8.Ramdin
9.Taylor
10.Powell
11.Edwards
We r playing to tie the series ,i don't think we can afford the youngsters a chance-too important a game.
Some may disagree with the "long" batting line up.
I think we need it and would have preffered Hinds @ #6
,he gives us variety.Gayle and C"goon needs to play themselves in.I think with tese guys @ 100% fitness ,The Aussies don't stand a chance.Remember we WON every 2nd. innings comfortably ,although we had some very poor decisions against us.We need to play our 1st inning as though it is our last inning-give it your best shot(our best will beat any other team presently-i should have said play to our abilities).
I believe we can HUMBLE the Aussies.Ponting knows it too.All we need now is for our guys to believe it.
The last I saw CW was a week ago on Flatbush ave with a piece of wood over his sholder. I think he said he is looking for the FOOL (you know who)
I agree with you where Roach is concerned and in the Jamaican vernacular " 'im force ripe". Nothing against the youth but we have been down this road before with especially Taylor. Once picked, Taylor felt that he had something to prove; went out their and tried to bowl too fast but could not maintain the pace and broke down in the process. Is this what the selectors want for Roach? Let the youth go on some A-team tours first and develop experience playing against competent opposition and in different playing conditions.
Rampaul unfortunately is his own worst enemy; lack of fitness, inconsistent and not motivated. His previous injury may have affected his rythm also.
Pascal I know very little about so I have to rely on your judgement.
Since you have taken office , I must agree that you have made giant strides in ensureing the governance and management of the financial health of the WICB has steadily improved however malnourished and lean it may have been before.
Now, you have set new goals and fresh achievments to accomplish and this I stand together with other West Indians and heartily applaud your vision for guiding Windies Cricket.
There is one thing I would like to see though.
The set up of an external watching committee who interacts with the WICB and red flag unfinished commitments and other unfinished matters pertaining to timelines and unsustainable constructs.
This watching committee should be comprised by journalists of cribbeancricket.com and other independent West Indian newspaper journalists of the ilke of Tony Cozier, Tony Becca etc.
The money to fund this endeavour of "watching committee" should be generated from a special West Indies cricket lottery sold in all the region. Or any event or idea that can come from this group of people, surely there are enough ideas floating out there.
That boy need to go back to his hut in Jamaica and Learn how to play Cricket.
Fool got the best Chance to be the man at the top of the Order and every time he throw his wicket away. Nicca you are not VIV Richards...
1. Chattergoon
2. Marshal
3. Sarwan
4. Gayle
5. Shiv
6. Bravo
7. Ramdin.
8. Taylor
9. Powell
10. Sammy
11. Edwards.
until we realize it was a one off shot .
I believe you have difficulty reading my posts, especially when some universally recognized/accepted Latin phrases are included. Nowhere in my post you saw any suggestion that they "both not play". I contend that neither one is test match ready, for obvious reasons - THEY HAVE NOT PLAYED ANY TEST MATCHES IN WEEKS!!!!! Consequently, playing the two of them, both returning from injuries, is simply not recommended. For this reason I suggested playing one OR the other, with the preference going to Gayle, again for obvious reasons. Is this hard too understand??????????
I am not sure if any of the posters here, apart from Nt and probably a couple others, have ever seen Morton bat. If they did, I am sure they would have a different take on wanting to drop him.
This logic is weak, what should we do when the entire team is not playing test matches for a 2 month period?
gayle
Chattergoon
Sarwan
Marshall
Chanders
Morton
Bravo
Ramdin (only because.......)
Taylor
Powell
Edwards
The spinner would play but the bowlers are not doing badly. I would consider not playing Powell for the spinner.
BTW, perhaps you have never played the game above a certain level, but I can assure you hand/eye coordination is not the domain of openers only, but every batsman worth his salt as well.
Did you get to see former Aussie skipper Alan Border bat; the guy whose batting world record Lara surpassed. You would think he was a baseball player; bat held off the ground, little foot movement and striking the ball just like a baseball player. My point? If Gayle successfully bats the way he does, why does he need to change?? Why not ask coach Dyson to tell Gayle he is not an opener; has deteriorating hand/eye coordination and should push Chanderpaul down one step to accommodate Gayle batting lower in the order??
Both Gayle and C/goon should play assuming they are fit. My team in batting order from the 15 man squad currently in Barbados
Gayle
C/goon
Sarwan
Morton- One last chance for him.
Chanderpaul
Bravo
Ramdin
Powell
Taylor
Edwards
Benn- I would much prefer Jaggernauth, but he is not in the squad
12th man Marshall.
After this series, decisions will need to be made about Morton, Smith, and Powell.
This logic is weak, what should we do when the entire team is not playing test matches for a 2 month period?
You fail to understand what I wrote for some reason, hence your inference. We are not talking about Gayle and Chattergoon being out for a few days, but several weeks. Working out and practicing in the nets help of course, but are hardly substitutes for the actual thing.
But let me ask you a question If Gayle and Chattergoon are both fit and ready for the next test and our batting have let us down so far if it were'nt for Shiv would'nt you replace the out of forms with them both? Take in mind that in the series so far only Sarwan and Shiv have over 200 and 300 runs respectivly in series so far all the rest is below 100. Will appreciate your honest opinion.
Hope you don't mind my responding to you both at the same time since I believe you are on the same page. It is not that I am unaware of cricketers returning after injury and excelling, because such as occurred. Conversely, quite the opposite has happened as well, including the legendary Clive Lloyd, to the point where calls were made to drop him. This occurred in Australia in the late 1970's while I was doing postgraduate studies at Univ. of Q'land.
The last test against the Aussies is pivotal, notwithstanding the fact that the Sir Frank Worrell trophy has been retained by them. I want us to even the series, and I would not want to go into battle with both my opening batsmen just returning from injury; have not played any competitive cricket for a protracted period, and in the case of Gayle some uncertainty about his groin being fully healed to function over possibly 5 days. This is why I am adamant that both should not play, as the tone of the game is usually set by the openers and the No. 3 batsman. We have several other openers, albeit none of whom have performed consistently, who must step up to the plate.
Go windies. Where is Mr. American these days drinking with you Ram?
I saw Ram outside the Rehab clinic.
True about my wishing Ganga was in the squad, however you are so wrong about drinking with that drunkard. I keep alcoholics and other junkies very far away
I have only been to NYC 3 times and only once in the Queens area. I was told that lots of Asian Guyanese lives there in a specific neighborhood where US census bureau shows a large population of Asians of Guyana decent
I understand they are hard working, industrious and generally very nice people who are good for this country, but a significant number their men folk like the "bottle" a lot-
Your friend Ram may be one of those. If you read his posts, which I do for amusement purposes, you can sense his state of intoxication.
I mean he is always drunk and same suggested he even spent time in a NYC prison for DOI- LOL
The only surprise is why did it take so long- I think their days are numbered, this would be a shame b/c much of the great work by Greenidge and Roberts during their playing days are now tarnished by their sorry decisions.
I hope fans separate their performance and their memory as players to their role of selectors, a job they are obviously unqualified for.
It is also instructive for those who would like to see these former players assume managerial and leadership positions in the WICB- sadly, few are qualified, being a cricketer is vastly different from that of a manager, selector, coach and leader. A great cricketer does not make a great manager or administrator.
A few exceptions such as Murray whose academic qualifications and professional experience makes him a sure cricket leader, or even Sir Brian - who seems to have visionary ideas.
Lets hope the WICB provides a face saving way for Greenidge and Roberts to leave with some dignity, for whatever much they accumulated, too much have been diminished, albeit self-inflicted. Sad for they deserve so much more for their service to WI and world cricket as players.
But I must give you credit, you are consistent with the dog defecation that you expectorate daily on this board.
We have seen your idiotic ethos over and over, the conclusion is; your neurological organs does not function like normal people. I would surely be remiss if I did not enunciate the obvious.
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By the way guys did Lara get the name sir behind him like Richards and Sobers as American said above?
Or whatever else you want to call yourself you are not a true WI fan, you care only for your home country of Guyana and you hate Lara b/c of the Hooper affair.
WI/Caribbean country that tells you what race of guyanese you are e.g
Indo/Afro Guyanese unlike the other countries- Trinis,Bajans,Jamaicans etc.maybe i am reading too much into this.
benched their under-performing asses.We now have a better team than when he was Cappo,but the same blindfolded selectors/administrators.I would prefer KING Lara to Sir Lara-a better ring to it.
I don't want to get involve in inter island rivalry, although I am well aware of it.
I will remain an outsider who is neutral in his analysis. I will also say it is one of the cancer that is eating away at WI cricket. Notice how many in this blog are praying that an Australian or Indian cricketer will brake LARA'S RECORD.
Lara demonstrated his extreme selfishness on numerous occasions; observations confirmed by many of his opponents as well. Setting records is fine, but one must understand that they eventually will be broken, which is why I was one who advocated for the retirement of Courtney Walsh to allow the emergence and development of other younger fastbowlers such as Reon King. Of course King fell by the wayside, but one can't help but wonder if he would have feared better if given more opportunities earlier on. As we have seen, the once seemingly formidable bowling record of 519 wickets held by Walsh has been surpassed by Murilatheran and Warne. So too will Lara's records be surpassed in the future. What may have escaped Lara, is that winning test matches cannot be erased. With time, he will not be remembered for his records, but that he led the Windies poorly. If you don't believe me, here is a simple question - how many people remember that Sobers held the world record of 365 runs or that at one time Lance Gibbs had the record for the most wickets (302)???
Why do you see it fit to use so many names?
(THE REAL AMERICAN
1. Gayle
2. Chattergoon
3. Sarwan
4. Morton
5. Chanderpaul
6. Bravo
7. Ramdin
8. Taylor
9. Powell
10. Benn
11. Edwards
Windies are in the field.
Let's see what happens in this test; I have guarded optimism where our opening pair are concerned. The inclusion of Benn is welcomed and so too is the retention of Morton.
these situations. gayle did well to keep things steady on one end and attack. he should come back with bravo and taylor after lunch, and use edwards to rattle their
feathers if he wants to switch ends
put the team before self nt, u said u were a past player
The umps. Did it a gain.
I think Nt was correct for not including an extra bat
dropped
match material, and he and bravo play the same role. powell plays a different game
and i dont think he is consistent enough, but the selectors have not given another a
fast bowler in this series or s/l series a chance, so its either a swap for powell
for a spinner or he plays at this point.
we have persisted too long with morton at the test level, he does not have the patience
for it, just like ramdhin, he is not a test batsmen, he is a very good keeper, thats it .
so i think u have to look at the roles players make , u cannot compare a front line batsman like morton with a fast bowler - who is part of a combination that has been bowling very well, in these recent series.
i dont even know who roach is, but i will trust your judgement on him. but regardless
of what makes up the team, we support west indies, we all have our favorites
i wish perkins was on this team, but he is not, i wish mohd was on the oneday team as an allrounder but he is not, i wish those 2 brothers i was asking u about would get
a chance to play at a higher level, but they are not
but i am not going to be a sour puss about it, because the team comes first, players
dont pick themselves, they get selected.
everyone will say what they want about the extra batsman not being picked but 7 wkts are down , and we r doing well. sars, sarwan gayle - is as good as we will get - they
have to play their role when we bat
I love Edwards’s fire, it’s a good rivalry with Lee; this is good for the game. We need more of this stuff, cricketers need to stop walk on eggs and pussy-footing around ancient rules. All games have trash talk as long as one knows where to draw the line.
Nt i feel Sammy deserve to play between Marshall and Morton i don't see much diffrence. Except that marshall shine and Morton failed badly in the last game.
Ram like you boy drunk you boy American he/she have been quiet recently unless he was hoping that the team would have done badly without Lara/Ganga
offensive. as nt said sammy needs to get stronger and he will bowl faster, he
can be accurate, so he is very usefull.
i saw a few overs of him last game and he looked ordinary. bravo has been
bowling a little faster now, so its also helping him with his deception.
sammy, the 2 smiths, marshall, ramdin, baugh - these are all very young men, who can get better, once they are not forgotten if dropped, it looks well long term for us
its the fast bowling dept i am worried about edwards is injury prone. and taylor may become worn out after a while.
I will be more pissed off Friday, because I have to sign the payroll checks.
Good also to see Benn in the team.
The bowlers did a very good job today but the umpires continues to bat for Australia and Symonds must be the luckiest batter in the planet. THe way Bravo bowled it was as if he was the main bowler.
The Aussies cannot be considered the best anymore as this team looks rather ordinary, not to take anything away the performance of the bowlers,
Gayle's captaincy with respect to using his spinner Benn is baffling- it gives credence to the often stated criticism that West Indian captains since the days of Richardson dosen't know how to use spinners.
If WI can restrict Australia to under 250, they stand a good chance of winning his match as the 2nd and 3rd days are best for batting on this track.
The batting is thin, only b/c Marshall is included and Gayle and C/goon is playing their first game since returning from injury. I suspect Bravo and Ramdin will come very good with the bat.
I much as I hate you, no.... no…no (I hate no one)
I mean dislike.
Is “Jack” and “Guesswho” and you are the same person.
I done my rearch and I think not, you need to tell that person who the real American is….
De real American like Ganga
we bowled them out. and now we have to bat all day
Ramdin failed again, the guy been failing since the Sri Lanka series and some how still find his way into WI team!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
for the life of me i cannot understand why chanders exposes the tail so early in the overs he is good enough to get 2s or a 4 in every over, there is no rush, or a run rate
issue here.
same thing last game batting wit ramdhin.
countryman. his rotation with the tail
i still think he should bat earlier though.
Anyway tomorrow morning is a 5 mile race.
out there., they are not specialist batsmen, why would i want them exposed , when i can take the strike and score a few per over.
u did not play much ram, u said so
do much off - why did ramdhin take so much strike last game if we were trying
to draw the game.
we ould not make runs to win, and australia were giving him the single so they
could go at ramdhin
As much as I have been admiring and enjoyig his recent great run of form, I am equally perplexed by his unseeming attitude to protect the tail- the last 3 batters.
Lets also puts things in prspective, had it not been for Chanders, and asisted by Bravo and Marshall, were the only batters who stood up today- the scorboard would have been a lot worse- so yes, while we can be frustrated by Chanders inability to post 50 to 75 runs with the tail, lets us equally admire and appreciate this man's lone battle with the Aussies.
Gayle's strategy was Gayles strategy, pull a few to the boundary and in quick time then get out- when will he become more consistent. Chattergoon lack of batting intelligency showed in the manner of his dismissal.
Sarwan yet again seems unable to string 3 good scores in succession, after an excellent innings in the last match, he regressed to his customary ways.
Ramdin is becoming a worry- his place must now be in danger, but luckily for him, no other keeper in the region can match his glov work and no other keeper, perhaps, save Gibran Mohammed, can bat, including Baugh, who many in Jamaica want to see in the team.
I'll like to see the selectors take a look at Gibran Mohammed as an alternative to Ramdin. Selecting Baugh will be a big mistake for the team as there are already a large contingent of Jamicans in he team. Too many of one kind may pose problems for other players.
This match can now easily slip away as batting in day 3 will be the easiest and with the Aussie having all their soldiers intact, a big score looms-
Batting in day 4 and 5 is not going to be easy.
For all the non-cricketers, protecting the tail is not that easy especially with a tail as long as ours. American is absolutely crazy in suggesting that an extra jamaican in Baugh would be detrimental. You shouldn't be allowed to spread this hate. You are a disgrace even to Pres. Bush.
Anyone who has followed Chanders know that it had little to do with average. It is just simply too hard to protect a tail that starts at the keeper.
I spoke about the selections a while back. Almost all of you advocated for this line up and I said very early that Bravo should not play at 6, hence making room for another batsman.
I still prefer this team Post-Lara. The fact that we are actually challenging is more than many others can say.
Go windies (Just drop Powell and Ramdin)
I was advocating we need the extra bat all along. Recently when I said it’s not Chander job to protect the long tail, I was criticized by Coverdrive, I understand protecting the tail for a game or two but he is stuck with the tail for the last three and the man still makes his runs.
Ramdin has to go- NOW, he’s on borrowed time.
ps. I think American is better than President Bush - one cannot get any lower. lol
American stop the hate, this is a cricket forum, left the hate in your basement apartment. I don’t care a daam if we have 11 Jamaicans on the team as long as they produce.
HE HAS TO PROTECT THEM, if he has a different team its another story, BUT THAT
ISTHE TEAM HE HAS TO WORK WITH,
Lets hope the bowlers can pull things back quickly.
Anyway happy father’s day to all of my bloggers..Peace....
sars still there but a gettible score for the last day if they both stay long
wake up ram!!
lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol
That was West Indies/CA- he loves to pose as me
1. Ganga - capt.
2. Bharat
3. Simmons
4. Bravo
5. Pollard
6. Ramdin
7. D. Mohammed
8. Jaggernauth
9. Rampaul
10. Taylor
11. Edwards
This is an unbeatable team that will beat the Aussies.
Ganga is a complete failure just like Ramdin.
Fool stay away from here, you hear meh.....
Chris Gayle (capt)
Sulieman Benn
Dwayne Bravo
Patrick Browne
Shivnarine Chanderpaul
Fidel Edwards
Andre Fletcher
Xavier Marshall
Keiron Pollard
Daren Powell
Denesh Ramdin (wk)
Darren Sammy
Ramnaresh Sarwan
Jerome Taylor.
Three Wk. keepers
1.C'paul
2.Xavier
3.Sarwan
4.Gayle
5.Browne
6.Bravo
7.Pollard
8.Sammy
9.Taylor
10.Benn
11.Edwards
i thought baugh with his strike rate would have been the automatic choice
no either they choose a good bat, perkins, who is not a great keeper, or a great
keeper who is not batting well
sometimes i dont know.
would have been the better allrounder or dave mohd with their slower bowling
an 11 i would go with, in batting order
1perkins
2bravo
3chanders - someone needs to bat until the end, especially in run chase
4marshall
5sarwan (Capt) - not impressed with him as 20/20 player/there to
skipper, - morton is better here and mybe bravo skipper 20/20 team
6.baugh
7d mohammed
8taylor
9sammy
10benn -
11edwards
Players like Mohammed, Kelley and Buagh comes to mind. I also think Ganga is the best 20/20 captain and I would much prefer him to Sarwan captaining the team. One also recalls how out of place Gayle looked during the Stanford Finals.
Anyway, 20/20 is the future and 5 years from now I look forward to an All American team (not an "American" team featuring WI and Asian immigrants) beating the world.
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!!
we may get better fielding and fair enoughbowling, but where is the experience in the
batting, marshall? too ealry to tell
well maybe the selectors want to have a look at the young men, it will be interesting
though,
i do feel that ramdhin does not deserve a place ahead of baugh for 20/20 games
though.
god idea to rest chanders also, easy game to pick up injuries.
Trini plenty in this team, where is Ganga?. I will be visiting him soon
i could live with.,
that stage.
anyway i going to visit Ganga next friday
Very often the selectors come in for serious flack from many in the islands- those who are insular, those who want their favorite players in the team and yes, many journalists who at times feel their knowledge of the game is superior than the selectors.
TO be certain, the recent criticism of the selectors were in fact warranted- none more so than the dropping of Jaggernauth and the inclusion of Smith after a long string of failures, just to mention a couple.
When Marshall was selected, many wanted to know on what ground he was selected, after-all, Marshall couldn't make his own national team and he has no worthy first class performance to look back on and on his previous stint he was rather mediocre and apparently went into oblivion for a couple years.
Thus far, young Marshall has been a revelation, his style is reminiscent of the great Caribbean batters of past, Greenidge included. Not only does he seem motivated and fearless, but this young man has an appetite for big things.
So lets praise the selectors, for many, including this neutral fan of WI cricket, are never too quick to call them out when the team selection is wrong.
Kudos to Greenidge and company, bold selections like this gives one pause and it serves as a stark reminder that these selectors know their game, after all, they themselves were former greats.
Lets hope Marshall continues to shine and most importantly, lets keep our fingers cross that he is handle the right way by his coaches and lets also hope the fans don't put too much pressure on this young man, for there is bound to be a patch of struggle as he build on his promising career.
Speaking of hypocrisy.. Fool you are it..
I will say no more.
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When the X-Man was called up, the same shyt heads were asking why was he called up.
Now that he left and impressive mark on the Ausie bowling, those same shyt heads are saying he is the best opener. You damn West Indians are so predictable.
When I stated on the Board that he was the man for the Job so many tries to bore another butt hole on my posterior, saying I am a personified fool.
Now the same shyt heads are singing X-Man Praises. Why don't you idiots just stand for something, stand with the selectors, stand with the board, stand with the team and press on.
To hell with insularity, anyone that is selected support his selection, and when he fails to take hold of the bulls horn cuss his azz out.
Thats my stand do good I praise you, throw your wicket away I will cuss your azz.
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ALL I CARE ABOUT IS THESE LAZY AZZ NICCAS CALL OUR CRIKETERS DO GOOD. THEY BEEN SLAVING WAY TOO LONG, AND GIVING POOR PERFORMANCES .
NOW IF YOU DON'T MIND I GOT WORK TO DO YOU DUMB FACK.
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No need for all those negative arguements......
We cannot change the team being selected, so let us suppot them
Let just ignore the JACKASSES and IDIOTS.
Finally I can agree with something you say- LOL-LOL-LOL
It's how we lost that really matters. How is it that we can move from dominating, albeit a very abbreviated game, to batting and bowling as pathetic as we did today. This is what I meant by having a "chameleon attitude", which is very worrisome. This team just doesn't know how to play consistently high standard cricket.
I am not going to call names, people was saying not to play Chander; I guarantee you if Chander played today MAYBE we will lost but we will not get bowled out within 50 overs.
enough time to rest, and 50 over fast game is not whats good for him right
now.
We either win the ODI or lose it, so batting out 50 overs without winning the game amounts to the same thing as being bowled out within 38+ overs and losing.
You must be female, because you don't even understand what you wrote. There was no "or" in your post but rather "and". Perhaps YOU have difficulty expressing yourself correctly using the English Language.
morton, smith,samules are out. cant the team be changed now to add some new players
are who fit and ready to go:
or is it that the cupboard is so empty that right now i cannot think about suitable
replacements.
hyaat, cush, simmonds, ryan hinds, morton, ram...
where is cw ? and no morton no nt??
where i lived. i dont know if he is still there, but american may know his files.
enjoy ram, be careful.
Sorry can't help you there.. visited Trinidad only once last year during my CARIBBEAN vacation.
A word of caution to Ram, hide your anti Lara sentiments as they are most proud of him and rightly so- You don't want to get your goat curried now
How come you stop pushing for your boy Ganga.
go windies
at the same time. taking pressure off the batsmen at a crucial time.
they have to bowl 10, but at lease keep pressure on one end, thats
been working
Agree with you 100%; I have no idea what the hell is going through Gayle's mind. Sammy bowled 5 overs for 18 runs and was not brought back. Benn should not even be on the ODI team let alone bowling 10 overs. I have said it many times and I will say it again, the Windies just do not have a killer instinct and has lost the appetite for winning. Maybe their benchmark for success is just way too low.
than 175
faster bowlers were doing a good job already. ben was ok, bit no good for the late stages of the game.
All of you Monday morning quaterbacks are always brilliant after the fact. Why not make your points known long before the start of the game. None of you know what the selectors options are, so don't come in here thinking that you do. When young Marshall took the Aussies apart in the shortened 20/20 you same criticizers were singing his praise. So quit the fcuking hypocrisy and do like coverdrive and a few others who are real supporters of Windies cricket.
Before taking Marshall to task, lets first look at the captain-his manner of recent batting is an appalling- as the captain he is not leading fro the front with the willow.
What about Pollard- now the selectors got it all wrong to select in the team.
Next go on to the captaincy of Gayle- his bowling changes was elementary-
The WI are not playing like a home team, in fact they are playing like a battered, weakened and depleted touring team coming off a long and difficult tour.
Today, with the exception of SHIV, NONE OF THE CURRENT lot would have been able to make the C team.
You can't blame the players, except to the extent that they can do better with with their self development. The lack of reserves is a big problem that has its origins in many complex factors, one of which is lack of cricket leadership.
I have written extensively on this prior to you joining this blog, so I won't repeat my assertions, which by the way, many here cannot comprehend.
In the final analysis, one should not compare the team of the 80's to the current lot, it is not fair to the current players to do so.
Instead, one should have hope but also and importantly, offer critical assessment.
I don't see WI getting to the top 3 in the next 10 years for test cricket or ODI. 20/20 IN THE OTHER hand, all the teams are pretty much in equal footing.
We have winners here let's give them a chance to WIN.
NOW GET A LIFE
Thanks for losing the caps; but your post has become really elongated. Can you re-post by either responding to this post or starting at the very top. Thanks.
I endorse the following persons
R.Jumadin- Chairman
Bryan Davis
Vivian Richards
these performances for now, both from players and admin. I always thought
we were a better oneday team than test, based on recent stats, but the batting left alot to be desired, and i really think its time to go to the under 19 level and build from there i we have not been winning with the core that we
have over a period of years, and its time for a change, there are a few good kids out there, and they should be looked at, as far as captaincy goes
i really dont know, Gayle is a leader but i dont think he knows what he is doing tactically sometimes, there was an over short in the last one day, which sarwan should have finished , and edwards should have bowled the
last over, or hold powell for it - that i cannot come to terms with.
for me from this group going forward i only see
gayle
sarwan
chanders
marshall
bravo
edwards
taylor.
roach looked good.
ramdhin for me is out of the question as a keeper/batsman.
powell, playing too long to be so inconsistent at test level, i loke him for onedays though.
chattergoon - no ready for the international pressure
morton - poor technique
sammy -too ordinary
benn - never impressed
we have 3 world class batsmen, 2
edwards, and taylor
and bravo
thats about goos as u can get, why cant we win?
You neglected to mention the most important issue: That of captaincy/leadership.
As NY1 pointed out, the best leader.captain in the WI is in the sideline simply b/c the powers can't see why leadership is important and are only look at batting averages.
EVERYONE was talking about how good a leader and captain Gayle seems to be early on- now with the pressure on he is buckling under the weight of responsibility and accountability.
Ganga, may not have scored a lot of runs, and btw, Gayle didn't either, but Ganga the tactician and leader he is can and would have take the team forward.
Ganga must be appointed now.
And if there are certain players from a "big island" that don't want to support him, then they should be promptly dropped.
Let Ganga build this team and to hell with his batting average.
You have that in place, you have t\blhe faith of the west indies public and on going farm programs, we will win again. as far as
west indies captain, i will prefer see bravo. i think, he can inspire
and he represents what west indies want in players.
Ganga has not been doing well of late in his batting, and i dont
think west indies will embrace him as captain for that reason. If he as a great season regionally then he deserves a pick on the team like anyone else, we still have an opening slot available
with no one really claiming it, no 3 is set with sarwan, no 4 is open, 5 is chanders., so there is room for players to come forward.
mgt and planning will have to make get it right.
I don't think Gayle can make the 20/20 team, he has failed miserably in every 20/20 match, both as a player and a captain-
My Stanford team 13
Ganga- Skipper
Bravo -VC
Marshall
Sarwan
Chanderpaul
Taylor
Sammy
Mohammed
Badree
Emrit
Ramdin
Fletcher
Willett
As WI cricket (Gayle quit captain) and management (WICB CEO on administrative leave, corporate services manager Tony Deyal has been fired) keeps crumbling, the superior Shiv stands out.
His selfless resignation is commendable because Chris realizes he doesn't have the leadership abilities required to successfully take the team forward.
The early promise showed by GAYLE that many commentators spoke about was displaced and very typical of West Indian style analysis.
Thank you GAYLE, this decision shows you care about WI cricket, your resignation should now pave the way for the best man to resume the job that is rightfully his, since no other in the WI can do it better.
Ganga should be immediately appointed and given a long run to affect change.
In a related topic, I am dissapointed that Butts retained his selectors job, in fact I understand he is not the chair of the committee.
I would have like to see Lara in this role. The only consolation is Greenidge and Roberts are no longer around. Lets hope the two new selectors are straight and not swayed by insularity and favoritism.
Lets also hope a spinner, preferably Jaggers is given a chance to flourish.
eager to see whats this new selection team will come up with.
GO WINDIES!!
sarwan,perkins,alderman [wk],dowlin,badree,emrit,marshall
what role is ganga playing on the team, if an opener, he cannot compete
with marshall and perkins/gayle and mohammed is a better option than both badree and emrit
i would go with
1. marshall
2. perkins
3. gayle
4. bravo
5. carter
6. hyat
7.cush
8mohammed
9miller
10taylor
11powell
12 roach
13 joseph
14 chanders
15 sarwan
sarwan is way too slow on the field for this game.
Here is the team;
West Indies squad Chris Gayle (capt), Xavier Marshall, Sewnarine Chattergoon, Ramnaresh Sarwan, Brendan Nash, Shawn Findlay, Leon Johnson, Carlton Baugh (wk), Dave Mohammed, Nikita Miller, Jerome Taylor, Daren Powell, Kemar Roach, Fidel Edwards.
I hope Nash, Baugh and Mohammed show the selectors that they can compete at this level.
20/20 team picked my only problem here is powell, i dont think he has demonstrated that he is an international player of class.
hooray ram u must be happy, no ganga and no ramdhin.
Looking at this team, I will bet a Trinidad team can defeat the WI select. Maddingly, Gayle and Jospeh made it. Gayle's 20/20 record id the worse for any front line batter in the world, moreover, his he seems lost in 20/20.
Well I guess Joseph, being from Antigua, they couldn't overlook him.
At any rate I wish the team well, but I doubt very much thay can win and cash in on the $20mil